Bold Ruler/Showing Up

Originally Posted by oracle80

Nice win, laugh at Dutrows horse now. Dope. he just ran one of teh monstrous races I ever saw from the 14 hole.

"Dope."

..This might be the key word of your entire sentence.....I know Kip Deville from the Louisiana/Texas area and he is not the kind of horse that is good enough to go 1:08 and change and still hold off most of these type of quality turf horses....that horse was breathing fire in the stretch...

Showing Up has MOUNDS of class...what a freakin' nice horse.....I love this horse and we'll see him for a while too (baring serious injury) because of his blue collar, obscure pedigree....his stud value isn't much until he wins a couple of important Gr. I's...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

"Dope."

..This might be the key word of your entire sentence.....I know Kip Deville from the Louisiana/Texas area and he is not the kind of horse that is good enough to go 1:08 and change and still hold off most of these type of quality turf horses....that horse was breathing fire in the stretch...

Showing Up has MOUNDS of class...what a freakin' nice horse.....I love this horse and we'll see him for a while too (baring serious injury) because of his blue collar, obscure pedigree....his stud value isn't much until he wins a couple of important Gr. I's...

Breathing fire? Joel you lost me there. Of course he was, and he still dug in for the place after setting a blistering pace. Rick moves horses up, thats why they bought him, with that hope. Obviously hes not the same horse now he was then. Unless you think its irrational to believe that Rick move dhim way up off the other guy.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Breathing fire? Joel you lost me there. Of course he was, and he still dug in for the place after setting a blistering pace. Rick moves horses up, thats why they bought him, with that hope. Obviously hes not the same horse now he was then. Unless you think its irrational to believe that Rick move dhim way up off the other guy.

No, as I mentioned, first-time Dutrow is one of the best betting angles in our sport....just like first time Cole Norman, etc.....I won't elaborate on why I think they are so good with almost every horse they claim/acquire off of any other trainers in North America...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No, as I mentioned, first-time Dutrow is one of the best betting angles in our sport....just like first time Cole Norman, etc.....I won't elaborate on why I think they are so good with almost every horse they claim/acquire off of any other trainers in North America...

Right, of course you won't. It couldnt be the legal stuff he uses like adequan, legend, lubrisyn, the very best blacksmith alive. It coulodnt be that every horse he gest who is off behind gets a glutial blister like only DR all can give em. Couldnt be the dietary supplements or the fact that he got a blueprint on how to train top horses from Bobby Frankel who used to ship into Ricks barn before he stabled in NY full time in the summer and tell him what he wanted done and how to do it. Nah, couldnt be that.
Comparing him to Norman is quite unfair. How many grade ones or champs has Norman trained?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Right, of course you won't. It couldnt be the legal stuff he uses like adequan, legend, lubrisyn, the very best blacksmith alive. It coulodnt be that every horse he gest who is off behind gets a glutial blister like only DR all can give em. Couldnt be the dietary supplements or the fact that he got a blueprint on how to train top horses from Bobby Frankel who used to ship into Ricks barn before he stabled in NY full time in the summer and tell him what he wanted done and how to do it. Nah, couldnt be that.
Comparing him to Norman is quite unfair. How many grade ones or champs has Norman trained?

Norman and Dutrow are the same...they just get a different range of horse flesh due to the geographic area and circuit both cater to.....my trainers give my horses every med and supplement you mentioned above and he doesn't get the same results as Dutrow and he has been training for 35 yeras and is very sharp......lets face it, he is using more than hay, oates and water......

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

"Dope."

..This might be the key word of your entire sentence.....I know Kip Deville from the Louisiana/Texas area and he is not the kind of horse that is good enough to go 1:08 and change and still hold off most of these type of quality turf horses....that horse was breathing fire in the stretch...

Showing Up has MOUNDS of class...what a freakin' nice horse.....I love this horse and we'll see him for a while too (baring serious injury) because of his blue collar, obscure pedigree....his stud value isn't much until he wins a couple of important Gr. I's...

The dope doesn't bother me, the lack of respect for Showing Up does. He was much the best and people aren't giving him the respect he deserves. I believe the plan is for Showing Up to run at 4. I guess if he won the 4 races and the $5 million bonus then he might be retired to stud. He isn't that big, only 15.3 hands, just like Strategic Mission, but he has a great demeanor and a really nice turn of foot. People forget but SM is a Mr. Prospector. Not exactly garbage, and a TV Commercial (3rd in derby) mare on the bottom isn't bad either. I can't see anyone beating him unti the BC. No three year old is in his league on the turf.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I guess if he won the 4 races and the $5 million bonus then he might be retired to stud. He isn't that big, only 15.3 hands, just like Strategic Mission, but he has a great demeanor and a really nice turn of foot. People forget but SM is a Mr. Prospector. Not exactly garbage, and a TV Commercial (3rd in derby) mare on the bottom isn't bad either. I can't see anyone beating him unti the BC. No three year old is in his league on the turf.

Based on my knowledge of breeding, he has a long way to go to get to a breeding level that will be satisfactory to Lael Stable....look at Silver Charm and Skip Away...they were both better horses than Showing Up but they both suffered in the breeding shed because they both had inferior pedigrees,,,

...Showing Up has a poor and noncommercial pedigree and won't be priced well in the market until he accomplishes far more than he has at this point....that is just a fact....by the way, Silver Charm and Skip Away were busts at stallions, obviously....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Who are your trainers?

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Who are your trainers?

Some cajun inbred he thinks as is as sharp as Rick Dutrow. Delusional lad that he is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Based on my knowledge of breeding, he has a long way to go to get to a breeding level that will be satisfactory to Lael Stable....look at Silver Charm and Skip Away...they were both better horses than Showing Up but they both suffered in the breeding shed because they both had inferior pedigrees,,,

...Showing Up has a poor and noncommercial pedigree and won't be priced well in the market until he accomplishes far more than he has at this point....that is just a fact....by the way, Silver Charm and Skip Away were busts at stallions, obviously....

even if he runs incredibly well from here on out, he won't get the draw a lot of other horses as far as a stud career. maybe that will keep him on the track longer.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

even if he runs incredibly well from here on out, he won't get the draw a lot of other horses as far as a stud career. maybe that will keep him on the track longer.

The Jacksons don't have a connection with him like they did Barbaro. I think the plan is to run him at 4. He is the grandson of Mr Prospector and a derby placed horse, so his stud career could be ok. I hope his price never gets too high because I might consider him.

[Danzig]

he's got some decent horses further back, but it's not a 'commercial' pedigree. kind of like the horse he beat, kip deville. you can see some promise, but not many are going to rush the barn door, mare in tow, trying to get to these guys.