Lava Man---California Is His Home

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

DRF reported that O'neil has been in contact with Churchill Downs on possibly getting Lava Man into the field for the Woodford Reserve if he doesn't go to Dubai.

I will make the call right now that if he goes to either,he will get his ASS KICKED!!!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I will make the call right now that if he goes to either,he will get his ASS KICKED!!!

I agree, but at least they haven't given up hope of him winning outside Cali.

[TitanSooner]

I would love to see him ship and run on turf.. He just seems all sorts of comfortable on the grass. Maybe it's the "painted asphalt" out here, but who knows. Maybe he'll fare better than he has in his "shipped dirt" attempts.

Certainly he hasn't won when he has bent sent outside of CA, but it hasn't seemed to hurt him in the long run. I'd rather see him go to the Woodford Reserve than see him get crushed in the desert and have him out until the later part of the year, or even later.

[pointman]

I haven't looked at Lava Man's PP's in a while, but if I remember correctly, I don't think it has anything to do with shipping, but that he races his best when he is in a state where he can get bute. When he doesn't get bute, don't bet him.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by pointman

I haven't looked at Lava Man's PP's in a while, but if I remember correctly, I don't think it has anything to do with shipping, but that he races his best when he is in a state where he can get bute. When he doesn't get bute, don't bet him.

Your 2nd post and already making the drug accusation. It must be great to be able to distinguish between a shipping problem and drug dependency so clearly.

Thank heaven for the ignore function.

--Dunbar

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pointman

I haven't looked at Lava Man's PP's in a while, but if I remember correctly, I don't think it has anything to do with shipping, but that he races his best when he is in a state where he can get bute. When he doesn't get bute, don't bet him.

The rules are the same regarding bute. We've discussed this a hundred times... look it up.

[pointman]

Dunbar, you must be the all knowing expert to have the gumption to trash a new person to the site so quickly. I did not profess to know all the rules, just noticed in the program when he does not have a "LB" next to his line he does not do as well and that happens when he is outside of California. If you paid attention I hedged on what I said to see if people with more knowledge than I about this sport could shed more light on what I noticed. I do not profess to be all knowing, I have an intense job and cannot spend all day learning the ins and outs of the business. Hopefully I will not offend your sense of knowledge on what I post in the future. That is if I care.

Ok. This whole bute thing is a mystery to me so I just did some research. Both the Kentucky and California Horse Racing Rules seem to be the same on bute: You can give it but it must be given no later than 24 hours before post time. Even the dosage amount seems the same. You can find the drug rules in each state by doing a google search for "Drug Medication Rules CHRB" and "Kentucky Horse Racing Drug Rules." Apparently, the PP's do not always reflect Bute as a "B" after the "L" unless the rules in that particular jurisdiction require it to be posted. For example, you can have bute in New York, but the deadline to administer is 48 hours prior to post time. So the absence of a "B" in a pp doesn't mean that "B" is absent. Or am I totally missing something?

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by pointman

Dunbar, you must be the all knowing expert to have the gumption to trash a new person to the site so quickly. I did not profess to know all the rules, just noticed in the program when he does not have a "LB" next to his line he does not do as well and that happens when he is outside of California. If you paid attention I hedged on what I said to see if people with more knowledge than I about this sport could shed more light on what I noticed. I do not profess to be all knowing, I have an intense job and cannot spend all day learning the ins and outs of the business. Hopefully I will not offend your sense of knowledge on what I post in the future. That is if I care.

Lava Man is a bad shipper, he weaves and stall walks and generally doesn't enjoy the traveling. There are a LOT of horses like that, it's just a quirk some get, it has no bearing on his lack of talent outside the Sunshine State, traveling by van for an hour is vastly different than going on an airplane and traveling for hours, it's just an unfortunate part of Lava Man's personality. Bute is allowed in every track in America and is as potent as an aspirin is for people, hardly a performance enhancing crutch.