Hillary changes color again

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

what positions does she have somer? voted for the Iraq war but now is against it, thinks a village should raise a child (I think it takes good parents), for women's rights except those that were assaulted by her husband. Wrote a republican expose for her thesis but now doesn't want anyone to see it. Said she's not a 'stand by your man' woman when she thought Bill was innocent but was after he admitted his oval office activities she 'stood by her man'. Surely the Dems can find someone better, can't they? and now 'she don't feel anyways tired' in her best preacher voice.

Well, again...it's known that she's my favorite candidate so I'm partial but you seem to be throwing a lot of mud against a wall hoping some of it sticks...a couple of your comments: she was going to be dumped on no matter what she did in regards to her marriage, her feminist base was very critical of her yet she stayed with Bill...I respect that, but in the end that's a personal matter and really has no place in the political venue. Regarding her college writings....so what? I wrote some rather entertaining things while in college, in many cases...I feel differently now. Hillary is my age so I can relate to the timeframe, the times in which we grew up etc.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, again...it's known that she's my favorite candidate so I'm partial but you seem to be throwing a lot of mud against a wall hoping some of it sticks...a couple of your comments: she was going to be dumped on no matter what she did in regards to her marriage, her feminist base was very critical of her yet she stayed with Bill...I respect that, but in the end that's a personal matter and really has no place in the political venue. Regarding her college writings....so what? I wrote some rather entertaining things while in college, in many cases...I feel differently now. Hillary is my age so I can relate to the timeframe, the times in which we grew up etc.

So true. If people read some of the things I wrote in college, they'd think I was crazy, and that was only two years ago this month that I graduated.

Funny you bring it up, because I was just clearing out my "my documents" folder on my computer and came across a paper I wrote as my final thesis in one of my English classes during my senior year.

The premise is shocking. I took a quote from a book of academic essays called "Reading Rape," from Mieke Bal who said rape cannot be visualized not only because ‘decent’ culture would not tolerate such representations of the ‘act’ but because rape makes the victim invisible. It does that literally first—the perpetrator ‘covers’ her—and then figuratively—the rape destroys her self-image, her subjectivity, which is temporarily narcotized, defi-nitely changed and often destroyed.

I then took The Piano Teacher and argued that rape made the lady in the novel a person for the very first time. That it in fact, created her individuality and made her visible, instead of removing it and rendering her invisible.

How well would that go over with feminists were I to run for office? So, certainly college writings don't reflect the way I really see the act of rape, it was a critical position I took and defended in front of a bunch of angry feminist Portlanders

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

So true. If people read some of the things I wrote in college, they'd think I was crazy, and that was only two years ago this month that I graduated.

Funny you bring it up, because I was just clearing out my "my documents" folder on my computer and came across a paper I wrote as my final thesis in one of my English classes during my senior year.

The premise is shocking. I took a quote from a book of academic essays called "Reading Rape," from Mieke Bal who said rape cannot be visualized not only because ‘decent’ culture would not tolerate such representations of the ‘act’ but because rape makes the victim invisible. It does that literally first—the perpetrator ‘covers’ her—and then figuratively—the rape destroys her self-image, her subjectivity, which is temporarily narcotized, defi-nitely changed and often destroyed.

I then took The Piano Teacher and argued that rape made the lady in the novel a person for the very first time. That it in fact, created her individuality and made her visible, instead of removing it and rendering her invisible.

How well would that go over with feminists were I to run for office? So, certainly college writings don't reflect the way I really see the act of rape, it was a critical position I took and defended in front of a bunch of angry feminist Portlanders

I think there are many examples of where one may take an academic, philosophical position that goes against their general viewpoint of a subject. I would agree with your take there...I feel that things that happen to us don't determine who we are, rather how we react to same determines who we are! I agree that women have historically been rendered invisible by male-dominated societies but that's different from saying that a woman's essence is determined by the behavior of others. Labels are often confusing to some...I am a feminist yet I'm anti-abortion, that's a hard-sell to most feminists, especially when I agrue that all feminists should be anti-abortion!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think there are many examples of where one may take an academic, philosophical position that goes against their general viewpoint of a subject. I would agree with your take there...I feel that things that happen to us don't determine who we are, rather how we react to same determines who we are! I agree that women have historically been rendered invisible by male-dominated societies but that's different from saying that a woman's essence is determined by the behavior of others. Labels are often confusing to some...I am a feminist yet I'm anti-abortion, that's a hard-sell to most feminists, especially when I agrue that all feminists should be anti-abortion!

If you're a reader, it's actually a really good novel, one of my favorites that I had to read for a course in all of college (at least that wasn't written by toni morrisson).

Of course I didn't believe that rape is beneficial to anyone, and still don't. But it was a provocative position to take and defend using the novel and the novel's stylings.