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Old 03-04-2007, 12:38 AM
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Well he knew who the horse to beat was. I watched this race again. Nobiz is more than a threat. He might drop out of the "experts" top 10... but not mine. I knew he was big but I did not realize he was so wide. This is a very fast tank who is a bit too kind.

No way am I dismissing this horse after watching it again.
Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.
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Old 03-04-2007, 03:38 PM
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Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.


He's very unlikely to be falling completely out of most top 10 lists...if for no other reason than for the fact that this crop looks very uninspiring right now.

I think the people who badmouthed Scat Daddy for his performance last time out....did so because they felt he had the tactical edge of racing over what was widely being called a "very live rail" last time out.

I personally wasn't convinced that the inside was that much better on that day, however, Nobiz clearly looked like a very authentic winner that day, and simply looked like the better of the two.

Also, another reason why the horse was so bad-mouthed, was that in years past, serious Pletcher 3-year-olds would often fire big races off the layoff..and rarely improved a great deal. The way Scat Daddy and Sam P. improved markedly today, I'm not so sure Pletcher isn't tinkering around, in an effort to get more development out of his Derby prospects. After seeing the way Scat Daddy and Sam P. ran today, it becomes a little easier to expect similar improvement from Any Given Saturday, in his 2nd start of his form cycle, on the march to the triple crown series.
Every horse in the Derby needs a good post. You think Barbaro would have won like he did from Brother Derek's post? I think we still have a lot of time for improvement. These are only 3 yo's with 2 months to go.

I find all these trainers doing the 2 preppin dance is very interesting. Its so telling what one horse can do to sway opinion.

And I have a question. What the hell was wrong with the one hole and Gulfstream in starting? Was it made of quicksand? Did any horse actually get a decent start from that position? Seems they were a whole lot of horses breaking from that spot had a lot of catching up to do.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:28 PM
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Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.
You meant Alysheba, not Alydar.

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Old 03-04-2007, 08:16 PM
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be too no way i'm tossing nobiz out of my stable either. he just has to learn
how to stay focus and run straight.
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