Are these Trainers bad for the game?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here is a side-by-side comparison with Steph Beattie and Todd Pletcher, comparing their win% and ROI in the three diffrent odds ranges.

4/1 OR LESS:

Beattie: 35% wins. $2.08 ROI
Pletcher: 32% wins. $1.73 ROI

BETWEEN 9/2 up to 10/1

Beattie: 17% wins. $2.37 ROI
Pletcher: 13% wins. $1.81 ROI

GREATER THAN 10/1

Beattie: 10% wins. $3.88 ROI
Pletcher: 5% wins. $1.58 ROI

Beattie wins all the win percentage categories between 3-to-5%. She also sweeps the ROI categories by 35 points, 56 points, and 230 points.

You'd see similar mis-matches with all the other big name move-up guys.

I just think it's pretty damn perverted, when you have to make the trainer the #1 factor in your handicapping--as you'd certainly have to do in certain low-profile ares of the country. That's not what handicapping horses should ever be about.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here is a side-by-side comparison with Steph Beattie and Todd Pletcher, comparing their win% and ROI in the three diffrent odds ranges.

4/1 OR LESS:

Beattie: 35% wins. $2.08 ROI
Pletcher: 32% wins. $1.73 ROI

BETWEEN 9/2 up to 10/1

Beattie: 17% wins. $2.37 ROI
Pletcher: 13% wins. $1.81 ROI

GREATER THAN 10/1

Beattie: 10% wins. $3.88 ROI
Pletcher: 5% wins. $1.58 ROI

Beattie wins all the win percentage categories between 3-to-5%. She also sweeps the ROI categories by 35 points, 56 points, and 230 points.

You'd see similar mis-matches with all the other big name move-up guys.

I just think it's pretty damn perverted, when you have to make the trainer the #1 factor in your handicapping--as you'd certainly have to do in certain low-profile ares of the country. That's not what handicapping horses should ever be about.

Apparently they handed out the Eclipse to the wrong trainer.

No amount of treadmill work, or long gallops, produces these kinds of percentages. I can't believe it to be possible.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Grits

No amount of treadmill work, or long gallops, produces these kinds of percentages. I can't believe it to be possible.

I sort agree with you. I think she does best by claiming horses
off very bad trainers and putting them on their program. They
also train at a farm not far from Penn. The horse Holiday Peak
was claimed off a very low percentage trainer. You usually don't
see vast improvement when she takes a horse from a high percentage
trainer

[slotdirt]

I've heard nothing but good things about Todd Beattie; I don't know a thing about the Stephanie girl.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I've heard nothing but good things about Todd Beattie; I don't know a thing about the Stephanie girl.

Totally agree with you. I don't think people realize
how good of a horsemen he is. I seen his horses live
at the Pa. tracks and Delaware and they are a picture
health.