Baffert Fined

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh I bet he was embarrassed. To have a little security guard tell you NO and you are Bob Baffert and you just gloated to your friend that you could get him in, of course he was embarrassed. Who wouldnt be. Look Churchill has be around for longer than Baffert and trust me, Churchill could care less about Bob Baffert. Baffert needs Churchill far more than Churchill needs Baffert.

Your opinion of Cd is much higher than everyone elses. Baffert needs the place like he needs a headache. he runs Derby week and maybe ships in a few horses the rest of the meet. Don't ever forget that its a B track, not a A track. It sure as hell ain't del Mar, Sanat Anita, Belmont, or Saratoga. How many grade on races do you run there a year at Cd? Do you even run 10? My guess is more like 5. The others I named run a whole lot. Nice place, great facility, awesoem folks but its not an A track.

[PSH]

Agree Oracle.
Only other track i would add to A list is Keeneland...

Originally Posted by oracle80

Your opinion of Cd is much higher than everyone elses. Baffert needs the place like he needs a headache. he runs Derby week and maybe ships in a few horses the rest of the meet. Don't ever forget that its a B track, not a A track. It sure as hell ain't del Mar, Sanat Anita, Belmont, or Saratoga. How many grade on races do you run there a year at Cd? Do you even run 10? My guess is more like 5. The others I named run a whole lot. Nice place, great facility, awesoem folks but its not an A track.

Not an A track but has the A race of the world. That pretty much trumps anything else. Baffert doesnt run many there and I wish he would. But he wants the one thing each year and that is the Derby. My opinion of every track is high. I love all tracks. And I think they have rules in place for the better of the track and its patrons. Everyone knows that the situation could have been handled better. Everyone has had this issue but we go ripping and yelling at someone. Plus, why does Bode need to be in the paddock anyway? I think the paddock should be for the owner(s), trainer and his/her assistants and that is all.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Not an A track but has the A race of the world. That pretty much trumps anything else. Baffert doesnt run many there and I wish he would. But he wants the one thing each year and that is the Derby. My opinion of every track is high. I love all tracks. And I think they have rules in place for the better of the track and its patrons. Everyone knows that the situation could have been handled better. Everyone has had this issue but we go ripping and yelling at someone. Plus, why does Bode need to be in the paddock anyway? I think the paddock should be for the owner(s), trainer and his/her assistants and that is all.

Well when you pay 40 grand to run a horse in a race the least they can do is let you bring a few folks with you to the paddock!! LOL!! Your understanding of people who get in the horse business is limited to say the least. They buy horses for the thrill and sport of it, if they wanted an "investment" they could buy Real Estate and actually make money instead of losing it, which most owners do in the business of tbreds. So you don't think owners should be able to bring guests huh? WOW!! Yeah thats right folks you dropped a half mill on the colt but your guests can walk in the paddock with you to see him saddled. Doesnt sound like a real bright idea to me.

Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Baffert wasnt the only one in error here. But i guess having half a brain isnt a requirement to post on a message board.
1) They only fined him 500 bucks. tell you what, if the guard hadnt acted improperly when this occurred in some fashion, the fine would have been very severe, maybe even a suspension.
2) Situations like this happen a lot at the track.Altercations between indivuals. You will note that in all of these situations the stewards rule immediately!!! This took place two months ago and they just put this out? Wanna know why? Cause they didnt want this coming out druing the Tri Crown and have all those reporters asking Baff what happened so he coudl tell them exactly what went down. They waited weeks(probably called bob and kissed his ass and apologized for what happened and said we just want this to go away) so that it would be a back page story.

Not hard to see that Baffert was in error for ripping off the badge. Also not hard to see that he never would have done this without provocation or arrogance on the guards part. He was definitely treated rude or provoked or the fine would be 10 grand along with a little suspension. Use your brains.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Baffert wasnt the only one in error here. But i guess having half a brain isnt a requirement to post on a message board.
1) They only fined him 500 bucks. tell you what, if the guard hadnt acted improperly when this occurred in some fashion, the fine would have been very severe, maybe even a suspension.
2) Situations like this happen a lot at the track.Altercations between indivuals. You will note that in all of these situations the stewards rule immediately!!! This took place two months ago and they just put this out? Wanna know why? Cause they didnt want this coming out druing the Tri Crown and have all those reporters asking Baff what happened so he coudl tell them exactly what went down. They waited weeks(probably called bob and kissed his ass and apologized for what happened and said we just want this to go away) so that it would be a back page story.

Not hard to see that Baffert was in error for ripping off the badge. Also not hard to see that he never would have done this without provocation or arrogance on the guards part. He was definitely treated rude or provoked or the fine would be 10 grand along with a little suspension. Use your brains.

LOL@fined $10k. It doesnt warrant that much of a fine. I think the fine is stupid. No need to fine Baffert. What does that do--nothing. If Baffert didnt think he was wrong, then why is he calling them guards to apologize. I do think the TC had everything to do with when they released this.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well when you pay 40 grand to run a horse in a race the least they can do is let you bring a few folks with you to the paddock!! LOL!! Your understanding of people who get in the horse business is limited to say the least. They buy horses for the thrill and sport of it, if they wanted an "investment" they could buy Real Estate and actually make money instead of losing it, which most owners do in the business of tbreds. So you don't think owners should be able to bring guests huh? WOW!! Yeah thats right folks you dropped a half mill on the colt but your guests can walk in the paddock with you to see him saddled. Doesnt sound like a real bright idea to me.

Why do the folks need to be there? What do they add. Like you have said, the trainer is so busy he doesnt have time to get credetials then how is the trainer going to have time to tend to his/her guests? The guests should be put in the appropriate place--the trainers box to watch the race. But if I have a horse in the Derby and I am next to Baffert the last thing I want is Bode running around the paddock. He doesnt need to be there. I know what owners buy a horse--prob the same reason why I went in on one.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why do the folks need to be there? What do they add. Like you have said, the trainer is so busy he doesnt have time to get credetials then how is the trainer going to have time to tend to his/her guests? The guests should be put in the appropriate place--the trainers box to watch the race. But if I have a horse in the Derby and I am next to Baffert the last thing I want is Bode running around the paddock. He doesnt need to be there. I know what owners buy a horse--prob the same reason why I went in on one.

Well you are definitely in the minority and have no idea how this game should be promoted. The more interaction that people have, the more who become interested in owners, which we severely need in this game. Have you ever read any interviews with owners? Do you know how many have described getting involved because they went to the track with another owner and loved the thrill of the paddock and the winners circle?
No way Euro, you are way off base on that one. Its a sporting event and properly behaved adults will not be "running around". I've been to the paddock at least 100 times in my life, mayeb more, and never ONCE have I seen a single person act improperly or spoken to by security. Never ONCE!!! I'd like to hear from people here as well. Has anyone ever seen misbehavior by a person in the paddock? Because I have never witnessed it and have always observed people just smiling, looking at the horses, and taking in all the sights. Do you honestly feel that these people pose a threat to anyone? You are trying to spin this way beyond reality and what it is. Owners have always brought guests to the paddock and its part of the pageantry and excitement of the game. You think when people tune in to big races that an empty paddock is a real turn on? Wow.

Euro maybe we should keep the fans away from the paddock as well huh? We can put up some barbed wire fences and have armed guards with machine guns on towers around it!!!
Quiet frankly i have never one time seen a person in the paddock do anything at all improper, never. I've seen fans spook a horse when they yell stupid things and even saw one rear when some guys up here at Saratoga decided to scream the horses name out when he entered the paddock. Have seen morons leaning on the paddock fence snap a picture with a flash that spooked em as well. But never saw anyone once in my life in the paddock do anything even remotely improper.
Please spare me the notion that having owners guests in the paddock is a grave threat. Its just not so, otherwise you could cite some incidents for me in which this caused a problem.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well you are definitely in the minority and have no idea how this game should be promoted. The more interaction that people have, the more who become interested in owners, which we severely need in this game. Have you ever read any interviews with owners? Do you know how many have described getting involved because they went to the track with another owner and loved the thrill of the paddock and the winners circle?
No way Euro, you are way off base on that one. Its a sporting event and properly behaved adults will not be "running around". I've been to the paddock at least 100 times in my life, mayeb more, and never ONCE have I seen a single person act improperly or spoken to by security. Never ONCE!!! I'd like to hear from people here as well. Has anyone ever seen misbehavior by a person in the paddock? Because I have never witnessed it and have always observed people just smiling, looking at the horses, and taking in all the sights. Do you honestly feel that these people pose a threat to anyone? You are trying to spin this way beyond reality and what it is. Owners have always brought guests to the paddock and its part of the pageantry and excitement of the game. You think when people tune in to big races that an empty paddock is a real turn on? Wow.

Well said Mike!
I am an owner (not at that level yet)...but anytime I've been in the paddock before a race, I'm thinking about so many other things besides "law enforcement".
Actually, the paddock is usually a prety quiet place. The horse knows he's about to run. Everything about it is to be calm. If it gets loud or crazy, the horse will just get agitated. Horses are very sensitive to stress.
Just imagine...coming out of a quiet stall, walking over, more and more yelling people, a few curcuits in the paddock, and then the stall for saddling...
Horses really DO see and hear everything that's going on around them.
It comes from being a "prey" species.
So, anything that can be done to keep them calm so they can run their best is important.
The last thing they need is an arrogant rent-a-cop yelling at people and being far more important than the situation at hand.
DTS

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well you are definitely in the minority and have no idea how this game should be promoted. The more interaction that people have, the more who become interested in owners, which we severely need in this game. Have you ever read any interviews with owners? Do you know how many have described getting involved because they went to the track with another owner and loved the thrill of the paddock and the winners circle?
No way Euro, you are way off base on that one. Its a sporting event and properly behaved adults will not be "running around". I've been to the paddock at least 100 times in my life, mayeb more, and never ONCE have I seen a single person act improperly or spoken to by security. Never ONCE!!! I'd like to hear from people here as well. Has anyone ever seen misbehavior by a person in the paddock? Because I have never witnessed it and have always observed people just smiling, looking at the horses, and taking in all the sights. Do you honestly feel that these people pose a threat to anyone? You are trying to spin this way beyond reality and what it is. Owners have always brought guests to the paddock and its part of the pageantry and excitement of the game. You think when people tune in to big races that an empty paddock is a real turn on? Wow.

I have never seen anyone misbehaved in the paddock. But I just dont think the paddock needs to be filled with people. JMO.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have never seen anyone misbehaved in the paddock. But I just dont think the paddock needs to be filled with people. JMO.

Appreciate the honesty.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

What do they add? You obviously don't have any idea about the origin of horseracing. The horse represents the owner in the race. It is the owners right to accompany the horse in the paddock and be seen with his horse. Many owners are knowledgeable and like to see the condition of their horse prior to the race.

It has always been very enlightening to me to be in there and I would be very upset if anyone in my partnership were denied entrance.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

What do they add? You obviously don't have any idea about the origin of horseracing. The horse represents the owner in the race. It is the owners right to accompany the horse in the paddock and be seen with his horse. Many owners are knowledgeable and like to see the condition of their horse prior to the race.

It has always been very enlightening to me to be in there and I would be very upset if anyone in my partnership were denied entrance.

Don;t confuse him with facts Tbred!!!!! The guy is obviously trying to defend CD at any cost and knock down a guy who does constant interviews and accomodating of people. Funny, if baffert was known for stunts like this you'd think we would have heard of some by now. Belmont day he sure didnt seem to have a problem now did he? And to think that he shouldnt receive some recognition for actually winning the race 3 times is preposterous. he wasnt asking to break any laws, he was just saying hey these guys are with me, and if I'm in a postion to make teh call, I have to ask myself just how dangerous it could be to let two guys in who are in the personal escort of a guy who has won the race and is well known. My call is gonna be that they arent a threat whatsoever, they wouldnt be in the company of someone like that if they were.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Don;t confuse him with facts Tbred!!!!! The guy is obviously trying to defend CD at any cost and knock down a guy who does constant interviews and accomodating of people. Funny, if baffert was known for stunts like this you'd think we would have heard of some by now. Belmont day he sure didnt seem to have a problem now did he? And to think that he shouldnt receive some recognition for actually winning the race 3 times is preposterous. he wasnt asking to break any laws, he was just saying hey these guys are with me, and if I'm in a postion to make teh call, I have to ask myself just how dangerous it could be to let two guys in who are in the personal escort of a guy who has won the race and is well known. My call is gonna be that they arent a threat whatsoever, they wouldnt be in the company of someone like that if they were.

I am not defending Churchill--again I have said that I dont agree, but I defending the rule (regardless how stupid it is). And again, the security guard prob is not in the position to make the call.