Did Mario Pino cause Hard Spuns loss??

[Mac88]

Originally Posted by smartyalex

Well, I certainly wouldn't agree with you! I believe O.R. is a much better horse than Hard Spun. We'll see in March.

I think you are reading what I am saying the wrong way. Saying that since the point of the thread was that Pino cost him the race, I feel it was neither the track or the jock.

By that same token I do not believe Officer Rocket will be a force this Spring on TC trail. Now if you are talking about what horse I would prefer in the Rebel, I still would lean to Hard Spun just based on the fact that while I do not believe track or jock had much effect, I still think one clunker is not enough to give up on himn and he will prove to be a better horse if both stay sound down the line

[ArlJim78]

Lets say Pino guns him from the gate and he sweeps around the field and takes the lead on the backstretch. How strong would he have been down the lane? He would have still got beaten. This horse slows down dramtically in the later stages of his routes.

The answer to the original question is neither. It wasn't a clunker and the ride didn't cost him the win.

Heck, you might say that he improved because his beyer came back at 95, same as his first route despite having a more difficult trip.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Lets say Pino guns him from the gate and he sweeps around the field and takes the lead on the backstretch. How strong would he have been down the lane?

Considering how comically slow the pace was---Pino wouldn't have had to gun him to make the lead.

And another poster mentioned Officer Rocket---he saved every inch of ground in that race

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Considering how comically slow the pace was---Pino wouldn't have had to gun him to make the lead.

And another poster mentioned Officer Rocket---he saved every inch of ground in that race

Okay, but since Pino didn't gun him, shouldn't we have witnessed some awesome burst of speed from him on the backstrech and turn. I still don't get how if this is such a big derby prospect that with that MILD bit of trip trouble that he had in the Southwest, he still ends up slowing and getting passed in the stretch run of a one mile race.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Okay, but since Pino didn't gun him, shouldn't we have witnessed some awesome burst of speed from him on the backstrech and turn. I still don't get how if this is such a big derby prospect that with that MILD bit of trip trouble that he had in the Southwest, he still ends up slowing and getting passed in the stretch run of a one mile race.

He was four wide on the first turn and at the half-mile pole, he was five wide.

That will take allot out of any horse.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by MisterB

He was four wide on the first turn and at the half-mile pole, he was five wide.

That will take allot out of any horse.

I didn't see the trip as being that bad. To me it looked very ordinary given the post. He showed me very little in that race.

Good luck with him, you'll need it.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I didn't see the trip as being that bad. To me it looked very ordinary given the post. He showed me very little in that race.

Good luck with him, you'll need it.

It's only an observation, and a discussion, not Derby pick.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I didn't see the trip as being that bad. To me it looked very ordinary given the post. He showed me very little in that race.

Good luck with him, you'll need it.

I tend to agree....initially I was a big critic of the ride, to the point where I said Pino had ridden him for the last time...I will say it was combination of a couple of things one of which was the ride....the other and it was posted here was that Jones or Pino paid no attention to the rail bias in the races prior....he was never put into position to win.....now I have a hard time with the excuse of he didn't like the track because one of the reasons (beside a cough) that they didn't ship to the Risen Star was because of how much he loved the track. Now the last reason and I think the one none of the "fans" want to talk about is he's not that good......he's a nice horse, but he's not as good as the ink said he was......