Democrats Disingenous in Their Rhetoric

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS/GR: Keep drinkin that moonshine...war trials...please report back to us from the Hague,DTS! Whatever happened after 2003 ...its our fault! Please ..that is so much blather....there are warring factions over there for political or religious reasons, and that situation coupled with Iraq's meager and unsteady response to our aid and leadership has resulted in what we have now. So its so convenient to jump on the bandwagon....welll if the best and brightest polititions were fooled by the Administration...then what does that tell you about them? You cant have it both ways.....oh I forgot...you can if your a demoncrat!

Timm,
GR and Brian pretty well summed it up.
I'll just add that UN sanctions had been in place for ten years. Many people starved during that time (children). UN inspectors were in the country prior to the US invasion. Saddam was contained.
If you agree with Cheney that "Iraq is a remarkable achievement" (see link above), maybe you're the one drinkin' the moonshine...hiccup.

[timmgirvan]

WOW!! People just lining up to set me straight! Well..I don't know if I can get to all those queries in one post but I'll try. The feckless,corrupt and impotent UN had inspectors and Iraq had sanctions for 10 yrs...and Saddam did nothing to ease his peoples' pain...just pointed their hatred at America. Another point you seem to fully understand about Hussein is the estimates of Saddams Murders run close to 2mill during his reign of terror. I can post a link to the 60-70 pillars of politics that were gung ho to topple Saddam, but when the crap hits the fan...We've lost our will to fight? The historical fact of his brutality demanded his removal....just as Amins' atrocities demanded his removal...and now we have a great actor playing Amin up for the Oscars? Sorry, I'll not be see'in that one. GRs' B: the entire intelligence community of world agreed with Americas' intell on reason for Saddams demise. So...the US duped the world? Wrong answer! GR C; if you or anyone else has a Congressman that was cowed into submission...PLEASE vote that sorry candy-a$$ed person OUT at the next turn...They're not the one's to lead you! Don't worry if Radical Islam settles in Iraq...Ask France and England how they're handling the Muslim hordes. I'd like to se you folks post on that subject. We already know of US compromise in dealing with our "friends" I'll not debate that here. God knows you'll be rushing to post on that. I ABSOLUTELY refuse to believe that the Adminstration(does that include Pentagon?) sent these soldiers to war to die needlessly. Its ironic,GR, that you would comment on me cavalierly discounting Democrats opinions just by their party affliliation. Au contraire...One only needs them to start talking to see the glaze form over their eyes in their pursuit of Utopia! As for hiding out on right-wing boards...I don't. This board is enough..although an occasional romp over to the dregs of the Old board isn't uncommon. Well, as you can imagine...I'm just plum tuckered out by all this thinking... I think I'll get that drink now Sweet Dreams!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

WOW!! People just lining up to set me straight! Well..I don't know if I can get to all those queries in one post but I'll try. The feckless,corrupt and impotent UN had inspectors and Iraq had sanctions for 10 yrs...and Saddam did nothing to ease his peoples' pain...just pointed their hatred at America. Another point you seem to fully understand about Hussein is the estimates of Saddams Murders run close to 2mill during his reign of terror. I can post a link to the 60-70 pillars of politics that were gung ho to topple Saddam, but when the crap hits the fan...We've lost our will to fight? The historical fact of his brutality demanded his removal....just as Amins' atrocities demanded his removal...and now we have a great actor playing Amin up for the Oscars? Sorry, I'll not be see'in that one. GRs' B: the entire intelligence community of world agreed with Americas' intell on reason for Saddams demise. So...the US duped the world? Wrong answer! GR C; if you or anyone else has a Congressman that was cowed into submission...PLEASE vote that sorry candy-a$$ed person OUT at the next turn...They're not the one's to lead you! Don't worry if Radical Islam settles in Iraq...Ask France and England how they're handling the Muslim hordes. I'd like to se you folks post on that subject. We already know of US compromise in dealing with our "friends" I'll not debate that here. God knows you'll be rushing to post on that. I ABSOLUTELY refuse to believe that the Adminstration(does that include Pentagon?) sent these soldiers to war to die needlessly. Its ironic,GR, that you would comment on me cavalierly discounting Democrats opinions just by their party affliliation. Au contraire...One only needs them to start talking to see the glaze form over their eyes in their pursuit of Utopia! As for hiding out on right-wing boards...I don't. This board is enough..although an occasional romp over to the dregs of the Old board isn't uncommon. Well, as you can imagine...I'm just plum tuckered out by all this thinking... I think I'll get that drink now Sweet Dreams!

Timm, your post could have come straight off of Rush Limbaugh, which isn't helping your credibility on world affairs, as he flatly admitted he was shilling for the Republicans in the last election. He admitted it. And your cheap shot at Dems in general only reaffirms what I said about your blind partisan loyalty so you might be leaving that out of your response next time. Look, if you want to be a marching-in-formation, down-the-line Republican fine, but be honest about it. There's a lot of you in the country and most are pretty nice people. My beloved uncle is one- he refuses to watch Ellen DeGeneres' show because she's gay, but I think, deep down inside, what he's scared of is that if he actually steps out of his right-wing box he might discover that (gasp!) she's the same as anybody else and then will have to reexamine his positions on homosexuality. So he hides out with Fox News and feels safe.

To say that the entire world agreed with us on Iraq is ridiculous. Did you see our "coalition of the willing?" Yeesh. Does "yellowcake" and "forgery" ring a bell? It should.

I'm curious as to where you got the "three million" number on deaths of Iraqis in Saddam's what, 25-year-reign. The White House website cites "hundreds of thousands" but doesn't say millions. Where are you getting your figures? Or do you think your information is better than the White House's?

I do agree with both Brian and Danzig that the vote on Iraq was a combination of false information provided by the White House and Senators trying to protect their own jobs. Which is funny, since Sen Russ Feingold voted against the resolution and still has his job.

"Don't worry if radical Islam settles in Iraq?" First of all, it already has. Second of all, I sure hope that's a joke. Radical religion, as I've said until I'm blue in the face, is bad, bad, bad. And I'd hardly look to France for how to handle it.

Timm, thinking is a muscle- it needs work to be strong. Do it a lot and it won't tucker you out. That's another thing that troubles me about America's chances for maintaining our position in the world- not only are a lot of Americans ignorant about what goes on in the world, but they take pride in their ignorance. I just don't get it. How many Americans, do you think, can name the American Idol finalists? How many do you think can name our Supreme Court justices? Sigh...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

How many Americans, do you think, can name the American Idol finalists? How many do you think can name our Supreme Court justices? Sigh...

And how many can name both?!

Guilty.

Gosh, I'm talented.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And how many can name both?!

Guilty.

Gosh, I'm talented.

Well, you are a child prodigy.

It did occur to me, with my husband out of town until September, that I'll be able to watch the entire season of "Dancing With the Stars" in peace. I can feel the brain cells dying as I type, but I don't care. Heather Mills! Billy Ray Cyrus! Mohammed Ali's daughter! And that guy from "Beverly Hills, 90210!"

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, you are a child prodigy.

It did occur to me, with my husband out of town until September, that I'll be able to watch the entire season of "Dancing With the Stars" in peace. I can feel the brain cells dying as I type, but I don't care. Heather Mills! Billy Ray Cyrus! Mohammed Ali's daughter! And that guy from "Beverly Hills, 90210!"

Oh Lord.

I'll leave the Dancing with the Stars talk to someone else.

Jordan (my partner) watches that show religiously, and I can't stand it one bit. I end up sitting at the computer that whole hour because it bores the life out of me.

Off topic here, but since you're the only one around it appears ( ), I was just wondering what my life was like before I finally came over to Derby Trail. With the sheer amount of time I spend on this site sitting at work and then at home, HOW did I pass the time before this? I literally cannot grasp what it would be like to not spend hours here every day. Weird.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Oh Lord.

I'll leave the Dancing with the Stars talk to someone else.

Jordan (my partner) watches that show religiously, and I can't stand it one bit. I end up sitting at the computer that whole hour because it bores the life out of me.

Off topic here, but since you're the only one around it appears ( ), I was just wondering what my life was like before I finally came over to Derby Trail. With the sheer amount of time I spend on this site sitting at work and then at home, HOW did I pass the time before this? I literally cannot grasp what it would be like to not spend hours here every day. Weird.

Likewise. What did I do with my time? I will hope nothing productive so I have nothing to miss.

Actually, I think I spent it on Bloodhorse.com, but now I do that AND get my racing education/fix here. And political discussions to boot. Truly, I am a lucky, lucky woman.

I know, I know. I feel slightly dirty about the "Dancing With the Stars" thing, and in all honestly, I've only seen five episodes in their entirely and they were all first season. But I looooooved them! So I'll see if I can commit to an entire season.

(And regardless of what my husband says, I remember him casting votes in the first season rematch between J Peterman and that girl from the soap!)

[GenuineRisk]

Though, on the other hand, said uncle of mine, after grousing about exercise and quitting smoking in the wake of his heart attack, is sitll off the cigarettes and is now doing 20 minutes twice a day on a treadmill. So hey, maybe he'll actually watch the Oscars this year.

Oh, and Timm-- re the Oscars: Whitaker got the Oscar nod because he did a good job portraying him. Because it's acting. It's not real. Whitaker doesn't really think like Amin. But I understand getting the movies and real life confused. Ronald Reagan did it all the time.

Off this topic- did anyone else see Sir Ian's explanation of acting on "Extras?" Too hilarious. I thought that episode was pretty sub-par (compared to some of the others), but that part was awesome.