Can Einstein do a repeat in the Gulfstream BC Turf

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Good luck with Go Between guys. He's a true dog-biscuit if you ask me.

Yeah, he's probably too slow, but he may have some upside and this field sucks.

I liked Jambalaya until about five minutes ago. I know I don't want anyone out of the Mac Diarmeda.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

tommy turner has them right where he wants them....lol

[The Indomitable DrugS]

As crazy as it sounds, I believe anyone of HR's last six races (except the 4th in the Beverley D. when she was oddly close to a pace that was too fast for her comfort zone) are good enough to win.

I just see her in the 8/5-to-2/1 price range instead of the 4/1 she is on the line.

Besides singling her in multi-win exotics, I doubt I will have any bet on this race.

[docicu3]

Go Between should be decent value and has a few historical items of note.

1) 2-2 on turf at GP Edgar has a win and a second on the horse in 2 starts in the last 12 months. The win a graded stakes at GP from similiar post. A slight homefield familiarity if not advantage over some.

2) His pattern is forward with a possibility that he may not have reached his peak this racing cycle if he gets a favorable trip. It is possible that if there really is a "speed bias" to the turf course as it becomes drier and harder as some DT's have suggested that he may try and steal it even at 11F knowing that others in the race are better closers and his best chance is to press or wire it.

3) His last race against Lavadude was perhaps his best albeit in a losing effort and thankfully this isn't California Toto where Lavaman dominates but a track that Go Between is comfortable at and has a modest history of evolving success.

4) As the sage in numerous posts above says this isn't the greatest stakes race period and thus may be devoid of early or earlier speed so having the ability to potentially exploit a racing angle or approach may spell success for #4.

I'm keying the 4 over 2/6/8....and hoping for the best.

Originally Posted by docicu3

Go Between should be decent value and has a few historical items of note.

1) 2-2 on turf at GP Edgar has a win and a second on the horse in 2 starts in the last 12 months. The win a graded stakes at GP from similiar post. A slight homefield familiarity if not advantage over some.

2) His pattern is forward with a possibility that he may not have reached his peak this racing cycle if he gets a favorable trip. It is possible that if there really is a "speed bias" to the turf course as it becomes drier and harder as some DT's have suggested that he may try and steal it even at 11F knowing that others in the race are better closers and his best chance is to press or wire it.

3) His last race against Lavadude was perhaps his best albeit in a losing effort and thankfully this isn't California Toto where Lavaman dominates but a track that Go Between is comfortable at and has a modest history of evolving success.

4) As the sage in numerous posts above says this isn't the greatest stakes race period and thus may be devoid of early or earlier speed so having the ability to potentially exploit a racing angle or approach may spell success for #4.

I'm keying the 4 over 2/6/8....and hoping for the best.

I can't see why Ramazutti won't be on the lead in this one. His rating in last race was due to a need the lead horse who grabbed the lead. I'd be shocked if R isnot on the lead in here. I still think Einstein will be tough in here, last years race was devoid of speed, so he went to the lead, this years race I'd expect him to rate. Should be a good race, I'm going down today to see it, although I abhor Saturdays at Gulfstream.

[Gander]

Who gives a rat's ass if its a grade 1 or Grade 5? Unless you own a horse in here, really what difference does it make to you? Its a fantastic betting race where any one of about 6 in my opinion can win. It will totally depend on the odds as the winner of this race is nothing more than a guess and a lucky trip. That said, I agree with Hooves that Tommy Turner has a chance to win. Leaning towards him as he will most likely be the best price of those that I think are the most likeliest to win...Mustanfar and Jambalaya. Go Between is so overrated and slow. I didnt like Einstein but now that I read he has "no chance" that makes him a contender to me, LOL!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Gander

Who gives a rat's ass if its a grade 1 or Grade 5? Unless you own a horse in here, really what difference does it make to you? Its a fantastic betting race where any one of about 6 in my opinion can win. It will totally depend on the odds as the winner of this race is nothing more than a guess and a lucky trip. That said, I agree with Hooves that Tommy Turner has a chance to win. Leaning towards him as he will most likely be the best price of those that I think are the most likeliest to win...Mustanfar and Jambalaya. Go Between is so overrated and slow. I didnt like Einstein but now that I read he has "no chance" that makes him a contender to me, LOL!

I'm not Seattle my man.

[Gander]

Maybe not, but to say this horse has no chance in this field on this turf course, training as good as he has been is kind of silly. Not my favorite horse or my top selection but I repeat, there are few in here who cant win this.
I think the worst bet on the board will be the mare Honey Ryder at what figures to be around 7/2 or 4/1. She can win but not with my money.

[randallscott35]

If I was going to bet it, I'd be playing Mustanfar.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Gander

Maybe not, but to say this horse has no chance in this field on this turf course, training as good as he has been is kind of silly. Not my favorite horse or my top selection but I repeat, there are few in here who cant win this.
I think the worst bet on the board will be the mare Honey Ryder at what figures to be around 7/2 or 4/1. She can win but not with my money.

Well said. The first 9 horses were separated by 3 lengths at the finish.

--Dunbar

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, he's probably too slow, but he may have some upside and this field sucks.

I liked Jambalaya until about five minutes ago. I know I don't want anyone out of the Mac Diarmeda.

What did I miss? I like Jambalaya here too.

[blackthroatedwind]

The winner and second horse got picture perfect trips and Einstein was much the best. And I say that as someone who didn't like his chances at all.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The winner and second horse got picture perfect trips and Einstein was much the best. And I say that as someone who didn't like his chances at all.

Without question he ran much better than I thought. But those wide trips are killers. Raffy could've come inside a number of times, but chose to keep him in the 4 path than drop in. He'll get a much better sheet number than the inside 2.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Without question he ran much better than I thought. But those wide trips are killers. Raffy could've come inside a number of times, but chose to keep him in the 4 path than drop in. He'll get a much better sheet number than the inside 2.

I think it was a combination of the wide trip and rushing the horse. Now, maybe he doesn't rate too well but it seemed like a ride without a plan.

yeah, enough with applauding those inside suckup trips. (he found trouble)

now we're trip handicapping (well, even if it's beyond OBVIOUS)

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think it was a combination of the wide trip and rushing the horse. Now, maybe he doesn't rate too well but it seemed like a ride without a plan.

he made up for the no plan run in the next race.........rafie...

my assumption that tommy turner had them right where he wanted them was on point.....they should have scr.. or run sunday..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

he made up for the no plan run in the next race.........rafie...

my assumption that tommy turner had them right where he wanted them was on point.....they should have scr.. or run sunday..

I guess Most Distinguished finally put it together. Judging by the times of earlier races he probably got a fig in the high 80s. Nothing spectacular but maybe something to build on. He's always shown some ability but just a refusal to win. Maybe this will be a confidence builder.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The winner and second horse got picture perfect trips and Einstein was much the best. And I say that as someone who didn't like his chances at all.

Agreed 100%. I waited all day for this race. As much as Javier got a picture perfect trip, it didn't look good there for a bit, LOL. I didn't like Einstein either but he was much the best today.

Eric

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ELA

Agreed 100%. I waited all day for this race. As much as Javier got a picture perfect trip, it didn't look good there for a bit, LOL. I didn't like Einstein either but he was much the best today.

Eric

Breaking from that wide post, with a short run into the 1st turn, in a 3 turn-turf race---you kind of knew going in he would likely become a victim to that kind of trip....the top two finishers were drawn in cozy inside stalls.

I'd heard Einstein's trainer say, in interviews, more than once, that they would play the race as it unfolds, and use his speed if the pace gets soft, or try and tuck in a few of them cook.

I'm not so sure that was the best strategy to have going in.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Breaking from that wide post, with a short run into the 1st turn, in a 3 turn-turf race---you kind of knew going in he would likely become a victim to that kind of trip....the top two finishers were drawn in cozy inside stalls.

Ummm, while a factor, the short run to the 1st turn did not cost Einstein the race. The jock certainly could've done a little bit better on the other 2 turns and maybe he didn't need to be in such a hurry. Ride like an idiot and still only lose by 3/4 to 2 suckups.

Priceless