southwest stakes 2/19

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

That's a definite throwout race for Hard Spun

WHY???

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

WHY???

I think that's a throw out race period. I'll have to look at the chart and watch the replay a few more times, but I didn't see anybody I'd bet in the future.

NT

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I think that's a throw out race period. I'll have to look at the chart and watch the replay a few more times, but I didn't see anybody I'd bet in the future.

NT

Yeah, but it isn't a throwout in terms of exposing Hard Spun. He's not going to be on the lead in the Derby and have a shot so if that is how he is going to rate he is in big trouble.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, but it isn't a throwout in terms of exposing Hard Spun. He's not going to be on the lead in the Derby and have a shot so if that is how he is going to rate he is in big trouble.

I couldn't agree more, Sniper.

[Gander]

Somebody on this board said Teuflesberg didnt belong but I dont rember who.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Gander

Somebody on this board said Teuflesberg didnt belong but I dont rember who.

I wasn't certain he could get a mile effectively, but I know that Pedigree Ann stated that maybe he could get a mile at Aqueduct, but she doubted at Oaklawn. Who knows...

I DO think he's a better sprinter and I think he'll be a really nice one if he's allowed to do that. I DON'T think that Teuflesberg is going to have an easy time getting 10 furlongs in the derby (if he's entered.)

[packerbacker7964]

I got the pick 3 going with the 4 and 8 in the 10th. Can we say a signer maybe? Oh BTW go to Oaklawn Live Streaming Radio at Oaklawn.com and you can listen to the live race call with Realplayer on the computer.

[Gander]

There was nothing special about that field and any horse can get a mile against soft competition over a speed favoring surface. I'd be surprised if any of those horses even makes the Derby. Toy race.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

WHY???

Going wide around the first turn was beyond Pino's control but to not try and save ground and instead go wide the whole race was a pinhead hall of fame decision. The horse bravely held on for fourth. If I was the owner I would slap the **** out of Pino.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Going wide around the first turn was beyond Pino's control but to not try and save ground and instead go wide the whole race was a pinhead hall of fame decision. The horse bravely held on for fourth. If I was the owner I would slap the **** out of Pino.

which is exactly why Pino will be taken off....this came up last week and Porter said he would stick with Jones's pick of Pino....but let me tell you, this was his test and he failed miserably....

Originally Posted by Samarta

which is exactly why Pino will be taken off....this came up last week and Porter said he would stick with Jones's pick of Pino....but let me tell you, this was his test and he failed miserably....

THe connections should've just scratched after the draw. The outside posts are a graveyard at that distance. Anyways I liked what I saw from Hard Spun today. It wasn't his fault.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Going wide around the first turn was beyond Pino's control but to not try and save ground and instead go wide the whole race was a pinhead hall of fame decision. The horse bravely held on for fourth. If I was the owner I would slap the **** out of Pino.

Bravely held on for fourth? He was 1-5 and should have been able to handle a trip wide around both turns if he was something really special.

If the public knew in advance that he would require a really crafty groundsaving ride in order to take down Tueflesberg, I don't think he would have been at such a short price.

He was supposed to merely laugh at this field and win in a romping fashion as much the best. I didn't believe that but its just that the trip wasn't supposed to factor into it at all.

This is a derby prep, and part of the prepping is to see how horses handle less than ideal trips.

I don't see this as something to pin on Pino, I just don't think anyone was going to get HS to the winners circle today. It was much more than the rider making a mistake. He didn't lose by a neck.