Maiden Derby winners

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For the people who think that breeding microscopic size foal crops, somehow makes for deeper and more competitive top class racing and more talented horses.....

* The 1933 Kentucky Derby was won by a horse named Broker's Tip. Not only did he win the race as a maiden---but, he never won another race the rest of his career. His lifetime record was 14-1-2-1. His Derby is known as "the fightin' Derby" because his rider, and the rider of the 2nd place finisher were literally fighting with each other during the stretch run.

That same year, the legendary Seabiscuit was foaled. He lost five straight races at Rockingham Park, to run his lifetime record to 0-for-17, but heck, he sure did improve from there!

As for our first triple crown winner Sir Barton---he was 0-for-6 as a 2-year-old, and made his 3yo debut in the Kentucky Derby off an 8 month layoff. He was only entered by his trainer to be a rabbit for stablemate Billy Kellly.

Well, he was gunned to the lead, and never stopped. Billy Kelly finished 2nd. He won the Preakness 4 days later, the Withers 10 days after that, and than the Belmont Stakes.

Not that Seabiscuit, Sir Barton, and Billy Kelly weren't fine horses---however, it is impossible to do stuff like today. The horses are simply much more talented overall....and there is a much greater volume of them in training.

If a trainer even tried to run a maiden in the Kentucky Derby, off an 8 month layoff, simply to serve the purpose as a rabbit for his stablemate---not only would that horse not become a triple crown winner, but his trainer would be knocked pretty damn hard by the press.

Broker's Tip, I believe is also one of the few Thoroughbreds buried at Churchill Downs.

Following is the photograph taken of that "Fighting Finish", for those who haven't seen it:

http://www.spiletta.com/UTHOF/brokerstip.jpg

I believe this photograph was captured when a down and out drunken photographer woke up from passing out in the infield right next to the finish line and looked up just in time. This story was included with several other short stories in the book; Finished Lines.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There was a third maiden who won the Kentucky Derby, does anyone remember his name and what year he was from?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There was a third maiden who won the Kentucky Derby, does anyone remember his name and what year he was from?

Stone Street in 1908?

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There was a third maiden who won the Kentucky Derby, does anyone remember his name and what year he was from?

Buchanan - 1884

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There was a third maiden who won the Kentucky Derby, does anyone remember his name and what year he was from?

Giacomo?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He won his 2nd career start by 10 lengths, in hand throughout.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He won his 2nd career start by 10 lengths, in hand throughout.

Well, obviously! He is one of TIDS's 4 "trend" horses, so he had to have won his 2nd career start by daylight!

--Dunbar

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There was a third maiden who won the Kentucky Derby, does anyone remember his name and what year he was from?

giacamo?

[Cajungator26]

I'm pretty sure Giacomo had won one start prior to the derby.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm pretty sure Giacomo had won one start prior to the derby.

Young Jock was a maiden. He had two other starts, best he had done was second prior to the Kentucky Derby.

He only won one other race after the Derby.

Or maybe this was just at 3??? NTRA has him at only 2 other starts before Derby. ???

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jman5581

Young Jock was a maiden. He had two other starts, best he had done was second prior to the Kentucky Derby.

He only won one other race after the Derby.

You're wrong. Giacomo broke his maiden on October 23, 2004 by 10 lengths at Santa Anita. This race was also his first 2 turn race.

Okay, yeah, I just did a quick search. He had 7 starts prior to the Derby. Won by 10 in his second.

[Pedigree Ann]

In the days when the Futurity in New York (whichever track) was the biggest purse on the continent by a factor of 5 or 10, many trainers deliberately TRIED to keep their best runners maidens, because maidens got a significant weight-break in the Futurity. They would give them racing experience by running with a stablemate and declaring to win with the other horse, which means that the better horse would be pulled up late to let the stablemate finish ahead of it. Sir Barton was kept a maiden for this reason and the ploy almost worked; he finished second in the Futurity. So he was still a maiden, but a very accomplished one, when he won the Kentucky Derby the next spring.

Just recently, the filly Hollywood Story was so busy placing in stakes races that she didn't get around to breaking her maiden until she won the Hollywood Starlet S (G1).

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by jman5581

Young Jock was a maiden. He had two other starts, best he had done was second prior to the Kentucky Derby.

He only won one other race after the Derby.

Or maybe this was just at 3??? NTRA has him at only 2 other starts before Derby. ???

I'm pretty sure Young Jock is also the only rapper to ever win the Kentucky Derby.

I guess someone DID get the innuendo And after that, he was preeeeetty tipsy.