Will You Vote For Him: Giuliani?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.

Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

[Downthestretch55]

Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

Doesn't matter to me either...I already said I won't vote for him.
However, the second cousin issue might not "play" with certain key supporters of the right-wing Repubs, and in the B-belt.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

I would not put it past him to go in there and tell them they are foolish. He has done things like this before. He has gone in and faced hostile crowds, or turned crowds hostile. I will be very interested to see what he has to say.

But maybe the right people have got to him, and he will play the right game in front of the right crowd. Sad. I always enjoyed his combative nature when he felt strongly about an issue. And he had a very easy time working with the other side as they did not see him as an idealogue. Conservative groups have called him barely Republican in the past. He has got his own drummer. But that may change this time around. He probably will tell people what they want to hear, not what he believes, just like the rest. The country just cant stomach bad news.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

You gotta be kid'n me.This utter complete whore tells us that the party isn't that of Bob Jones and other religious extremists(says it's the party of Lincoln.)Then he goes to kiss Falwell's a$$ etc.It is a btch to be a liar,cuz ya gotta keep track of the lies ya told.If ya tell the truth,then ya just gotta remember one thing(the truth.)

[ddthetide]

hillary=Satan!!
the clintons are out for the clintons, to hell with the rest of us.

[randallscott35]

Funny I was just watching Fox Cable news and they had a debate on whether Guil's liberal leanings would hurt him get the nomination....If Repubs had a brain they'd realize he had the most crossover appeal with Dems and Independents. DO they want to win, or send up a candidate that will get his head handed to him?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Funny I was just watching Fox Cable news and they had a debate on whether Guil's liberal leanings would hurt him get the nomination....If Repubs had a brain they'd realize he had the most crossover appeal with Dems and Independents. DO they want to win, or send up a candidate that will get his head handed to him?

They got this Conservative turd elected.They are gunna want to roll the dice again.What you're asking is do they want the "sure thing" (which I feel Rudy would probably be against Hillary,) or do they want to take their chances with a more Conservative candidate.Well, Idealogues don't think much.They look at somebody's views and compare them to the views of their own ideology,and then they react.It's like math(they add up the points etc.)If you have ever seen this Hannity guy on the Fake News Channel,then you would see the most obvious example(I have ever seen) of an Idealogue.Does Hannity support Rudy?

[GenuineRisk]

Guys, this is a really good article from Slate, by a New Yorker about Rudy. I really recommend reading it, as the writer discusses him pretty fairly, including the things he did well. PLEASE read this before casting your hypothetical votes. Plleeeeeeease. Most of you don't know the man other than what you saw after 9/11. And, (thankfully for all of us) most of being President does not involve 9/11s.

Having been through both the Giuliani and the Bloomberg mayorships, I can say unequivocally that Bloomberg is boring, has no star power and a really annoying voice, and is a much, much better mayor than Giuliani. Tough without the bombast, no interest in being the cover story and always willing to own up to his screw-ups (and he's made a few). Giuliani has skin thinner than rice paper and really can get petty- he fired his very effective police commisioner because he was mad that the police commisioner got more press than he did. I'm not kidding.

Anyway, here's the article. Please, non-New Yorkers, please read it. NYC'ers, you already know all this stuff about him, so if you still are planning to vote for him, well hey, at least you're casting an informed vote (assuming he winds up the candidate).

http://www.slate.com/id/2160285/