Will You Vote For Him: Giuliani?

[Danzig]

too soon to tell on any candidate. not so sure how popular rudy will be in the south when his gun control voting record is discussed. that and the fact he is pro-choice doesn't really bode well for him getting the republican nomination...
as for hillary, no doubt she raised eyebrows among businessmen when she said we needed to take exxons profits and use them to find new sources of fuel. we don't take a companys' money in this country! no doubt she will say she 'mis-spoke'...she has a lot of baggage, including her failed health care plan back when she was part of the buy one get one free team.
as for obama, he's an unknown.

should be an interesting, and LONG, campaign. i certainly haven't settled on anyone yet, and won't really until the noms are named-why pull for someone if they're not going to be one of the big two come election time?

here's hoping tho that we get two good candidates, rather than dumb and dumber. or maybe dumber and dumber.

[Danzig]

just heard on the news that the australian PM, john howard i believe, said a vote for obama is a vote for terrorists. gimme a break!!! how so i wonder?
obama fired back by saying perhaps australia should commit 20k more troops to the surge, basically put your money where your mouth is (wonder what size foot howard can fit in his mouth?).

[SentToStud]

Giuliani would sell out his mother.

Watching him sliding to the right on abortion the past couple weeks has been very amusing. If, by some travesty, he gets the nom, he'll slide back to the middle.

People give him FAR too much credit for the 9/11 response in NYC. Say anything you want about NYers but there is no way the police and fire men and women could have done a better job. And it has nothing to do with Rudy.

Police and fire in NYC have a very long tradition going back to the original gang days. There is NO way they would allow their city to deteriorate into chaos as happened in New Orleans.

Just my opinion but I donut think the guy is electable.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Giuliani would sell out his mother.

Watching him sliding to the right on abortion the past couple weeks has been very amusing. If, by some travesty, he gets the nom, he'll slide back to the middle.

People give him FAR too much credit for the 9/11 response in NYC. Say anything you want about NYers but there is no way the police and fire men and women could have done a better job. And it has nothing to do with Rudy.

Police and fire in NYC have a very long tradition going back to the original gang days. There is NO way they would allow their city to deteriorate into chaos as happened in New Orleans.

Just my opinion but I donut think the guy is electable.

A bit harsh. We aren't electing the pope here. I can't stand it when people try to take credit away from Guiliani for 9-11. It can't be done in my opinion. He did everything in more during that time period, to say it would've been the same with another mayor in there isn't an argument. He was there! So he deserves credit.

But I'm not looking to elect him because of 9-11 alone, more a governing approach that I agree with. He is tough and honest.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

A bit harsh. We aren't electing the pope here. I can't stand it when people try to take credit away from Guiliani for 9-11. It can't be done in my opinion. He did everything in more during that time period, to say it would've been the same with another mayor in there isn't an argument. He was there! So he deserves credit.

But I'm not looking to elect him because of 9-11 alone, more a governing approach that I agree with. He is tough and honest.

I agree...in this culture, we build people up so we can tear them down. Anybody with a history of public service will have some warts...in fact, if you look closely at the pope...well, never mind. Rudy, as I said before, is one of four that I could vote for, if none of those are nominated, I'll look for a third (or 4th/5th etc) party candidate to vote for. My list of "absolutely no way" candidates grows daily...original members being Algore, Kerry, McCain, Edwards and a few other assorted right-wing types.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree...in this culture, we build people up so we can tear them down. Anybody with a history of public service will have some warts...in fact, if you look closely at the pope...well, never mind. Rudy, as I said before, is one of four that I could vote for, if none of those are nominated, I'll look for a third (or 4th/5th etc) party candidate to vote for. My list of "absolutely no way" candidates grows daily...original members being Algore, Kerry, McCain, Edwards and a few other assorted right-wing types.

please make sure huckabee is on that ANW list as well!!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

please make sure huckabee is on that ANW list as well!!

LOL...no worries!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He is tough and honest.

Tough, yes. Honest, not on your life. I loved the moment at the RNC when he said as soon as he heard the towers were hit the first thing he said was, "Thank God George Bush is our President." I mean, come on. Me, I would imagine my first words would be, "Oh ****" or "What the f*ck happened?" or something like that. And I'm willing to guess that's what his first words actually were, too.

Seven WTC collapsed because Giuliani had insisted on storing the city's emergency fuel there. Completely against city regulations, but he didn't care; he demanded it and got it and the building went boom on 9/11 as a result. Also cut off an art museum's funding (illegally) because he didn't understand one of the pieces and got offended. The courts had to order him to restore the funding. And tried to use 9/11 to illegally extend his term as mayor. Oh, and demanded control of funds donated for 9/11 and put several of his buddies in six-figure salaried positions to "manage" the money. This is the guy you want in the White House? Who do you think he'll pick as Secretary of the Interior? Bernie Kerik?

The man's own son won't speak to him.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Tough, yes. Honest, not on your life. I loved the moment at the RNC when he said as soon as he heard the towers were hit the first thing he said was, "Thank God George Bush is our President." I mean, come on. Me, I would imagine my first words would be, "Oh ****" or "What the f*ck happened?" or something like that. And I'm willing to guess that's what his first words actually were, too.

Seven WTC collapsed because Giuliani had insisted on storing the city's emergency fuel there. Completely against city regulations, but he didn't care; he demanded it and got it and the building went boom on 9/11 as a result. Also cut off an art museum's funding (illegally) because he didn't understand one of the pieces and got offended. The courts had to order him to restore the funding. And tried to use 9/11 to illegally extend his term as mayor. Oh, and demanded control of funds donated for 9/11 and put several of his buddies in six-figure salaried positions to "manage" the money. This is the guy you want in the White House? Who do you think he'll pick as Secretary of the Interior? Bernie Kerik?

The man's own son won't speak to him.

Nicole, yes the Bush comment turns your stomach but its kind of normal political pandering at a convention, doesn't make it right, but don't judge him just based on that. Look Kerik is a slimy dude for sure, but he has been distanced from Guiliani for a few years now and wouldn't be serving in the administration. They all have warts. I can't vote for Hillary. I could vote for McCain if it was the "old" McCain who wasn't sitting on Bush's lap but he's different now.