Will You Vote For Him: Giuliani?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Somer, give me your top 3.

Probably pretty well known by now but:
1) Hillary
2) Condy
3) Obama

[Danzig]

too soon to tell on any candidate. not so sure how popular rudy will be in the south when his gun control voting record is discussed. that and the fact he is pro-choice doesn't really bode well for him getting the republican nomination...
as for hillary, no doubt she raised eyebrows among businessmen when she said we needed to take exxons profits and use them to find new sources of fuel. we don't take a companys' money in this country! no doubt she will say she 'mis-spoke'...she has a lot of baggage, including her failed health care plan back when she was part of the buy one get one free team.
as for obama, he's an unknown.

should be an interesting, and LONG, campaign. i certainly haven't settled on anyone yet, and won't really until the noms are named-why pull for someone if they're not going to be one of the big two come election time?

here's hoping tho that we get two good candidates, rather than dumb and dumber. or maybe dumber and dumber.

[Danzig]

just heard on the news that the australian PM, john howard i believe, said a vote for obama is a vote for terrorists. gimme a break!!! how so i wonder?
obama fired back by saying perhaps australia should commit 20k more troops to the surge, basically put your money where your mouth is (wonder what size foot howard can fit in his mouth?).

[SentToStud]

Giuliani would sell out his mother.

Watching him sliding to the right on abortion the past couple weeks has been very amusing. If, by some travesty, he gets the nom, he'll slide back to the middle.

People give him FAR too much credit for the 9/11 response in NYC. Say anything you want about NYers but there is no way the police and fire men and women could have done a better job. And it has nothing to do with Rudy.

Police and fire in NYC have a very long tradition going back to the original gang days. There is NO way they would allow their city to deteriorate into chaos as happened in New Orleans.

Just my opinion but I donut think the guy is electable.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Giuliani would sell out his mother.

Watching him sliding to the right on abortion the past couple weeks has been very amusing. If, by some travesty, he gets the nom, he'll slide back to the middle.

People give him FAR too much credit for the 9/11 response in NYC. Say anything you want about NYers but there is no way the police and fire men and women could have done a better job. And it has nothing to do with Rudy.

Police and fire in NYC have a very long tradition going back to the original gang days. There is NO way they would allow their city to deteriorate into chaos as happened in New Orleans.

Just my opinion but I donut think the guy is electable.

A bit harsh. We aren't electing the pope here. I can't stand it when people try to take credit away from Guiliani for 9-11. It can't be done in my opinion. He did everything in more during that time period, to say it would've been the same with another mayor in there isn't an argument. He was there! So he deserves credit.

But I'm not looking to elect him because of 9-11 alone, more a governing approach that I agree with. He is tough and honest.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

A bit harsh. We aren't electing the pope here. I can't stand it when people try to take credit away from Guiliani for 9-11. It can't be done in my opinion. He did everything in more during that time period, to say it would've been the same with another mayor in there isn't an argument. He was there! So he deserves credit.

But I'm not looking to elect him because of 9-11 alone, more a governing approach that I agree with. He is tough and honest.

I agree...in this culture, we build people up so we can tear them down. Anybody with a history of public service will have some warts...in fact, if you look closely at the pope...well, never mind. Rudy, as I said before, is one of four that I could vote for, if none of those are nominated, I'll look for a third (or 4th/5th etc) party candidate to vote for. My list of "absolutely no way" candidates grows daily...original members being Algore, Kerry, McCain, Edwards and a few other assorted right-wing types.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree...in this culture, we build people up so we can tear them down. Anybody with a history of public service will have some warts...in fact, if you look closely at the pope...well, never mind. Rudy, as I said before, is one of four that I could vote for, if none of those are nominated, I'll look for a third (or 4th/5th etc) party candidate to vote for. My list of "absolutely no way" candidates grows daily...original members being Algore, Kerry, McCain, Edwards and a few other assorted right-wing types.

please make sure huckabee is on that ANW list as well!!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He is tough and honest.

Tough, yes. Honest, not on your life. I loved the moment at the RNC when he said as soon as he heard the towers were hit the first thing he said was, "Thank God George Bush is our President." I mean, come on. Me, I would imagine my first words would be, "Oh ****" or "What the f*ck happened?" or something like that. And I'm willing to guess that's what his first words actually were, too.

Seven WTC collapsed because Giuliani had insisted on storing the city's emergency fuel there. Completely against city regulations, but he didn't care; he demanded it and got it and the building went boom on 9/11 as a result. Also cut off an art museum's funding (illegally) because he didn't understand one of the pieces and got offended. The courts had to order him to restore the funding. And tried to use 9/11 to illegally extend his term as mayor. Oh, and demanded control of funds donated for 9/11 and put several of his buddies in six-figure salaried positions to "manage" the money. This is the guy you want in the White House? Who do you think he'll pick as Secretary of the Interior? Bernie Kerik?

The man's own son won't speak to him.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Tough, yes. Honest, not on your life. I loved the moment at the RNC when he said as soon as he heard the towers were hit the first thing he said was, "Thank God George Bush is our President." I mean, come on. Me, I would imagine my first words would be, "Oh ****" or "What the f*ck happened?" or something like that. And I'm willing to guess that's what his first words actually were, too.

Seven WTC collapsed because Giuliani had insisted on storing the city's emergency fuel there. Completely against city regulations, but he didn't care; he demanded it and got it and the building went boom on 9/11 as a result. Also cut off an art museum's funding (illegally) because he didn't understand one of the pieces and got offended. The courts had to order him to restore the funding. And tried to use 9/11 to illegally extend his term as mayor. Oh, and demanded control of funds donated for 9/11 and put several of his buddies in six-figure salaried positions to "manage" the money. This is the guy you want in the White House? Who do you think he'll pick as Secretary of the Interior? Bernie Kerik?

The man's own son won't speak to him.

Nicole, yes the Bush comment turns your stomach but its kind of normal political pandering at a convention, doesn't make it right, but don't judge him just based on that. Look Kerik is a slimy dude for sure, but he has been distanced from Guiliani for a few years now and wouldn't be serving in the administration. They all have warts. I can't vote for Hillary. I could vote for McCain if it was the "old" McCain who wasn't sitting on Bush's lap but he's different now.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Probably pretty well known by now but:
1) Hillary
2) Condy
3) Obama

Toss Edwards in there and you've got my list too.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Toss Edwards in there and you've got my list too.

that catholic hating bigot? come on....LOL

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

In short, no.

BTW, how much has the NYC paid out to settle lawsuits brought by residents and city workers (mostly about constitutional rights violations) for things done under Rudi's admin? Last I heard, almost $2M. Imagine him with an already established Dept of Homeland Security...

Who knows, but you could get 2M for falling on a sidewalk in the city. That's nothing.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Toss Edwards in there and you've got my list too.

Brian,
For some reason, Edwards bothers me...can't quite put my finger on it but it's a gut thing...I'll pass on him.

[EpBurns]

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

I'm not into bashing people for opinions I don't agree with. That's fine if that's what you think. Do I think America is ready for it? No, but personally I am ready for it. With the right candidate, i.e. a woman who is not Hillary and a black candidate with more experience than Obama.

But there are way too many people who won't elect a black candidate and a woman who won't attract female voters isn't winning either.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I'm not into bashing people for opinions I don't agree with. That's fine if that's what you think. Do I think America is ready for it? No, but personally I am ready for it. With the right candidate, i.e. a woman who is not Hillary and a black candidate with more experience than Obama.

But there are way too many people who won't elect a black candidate and a woman who won't attract female voters isn't winning either.

If we wait for "America to be ready", we will wait forever...change is never comfortable and sometimes it comes at great expense. Kennedy "couldn't win" because he was Catholic (I'm old enough to remember all the comments about the pope moving to the White House)...but he did win! If you allow folks to sit back in their comfortable easy chairs and decide they are "ready" for change, it won't happen...but make them take chance, present them with an opportunity and sometimes...folks will surprise you! Gandhi and King succeeded because they appealed to people's conscience and "inner goodness"...present people with a choice and educate them on the importance of eliminating bigotry and who knows? Some folks will never vote for a woman or a black...hopefully they are in the minority...it's way past time we find out!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

If we wait for "America to be ready", we will wait forever...change is never comfortable and sometimes it comes at great expense. Kennedy "couldn't win" because he was Catholic (I'm old enough to remember all the comments about the pope moving to the White House)...but he did win! If you allow folks to sit back in their comfortable easy chairs and decide they are "ready" for change, it won't happen...but make them take chance, present them with an opportunity and sometimes...folks will surprise you! Gandhi and King succeeded because they appealed to people's conscience and "inner goodness"...present people with a choice and educate them on the importance of eliminating bigotry and who knows? Some folks will never vote for a woman or a black...hopefully they are in the minority...it's way past time we find out!

Somer, I am sorry but there are quite a few parts of the country that are far from open-minded. In fact the scary thing is those are the same parts that like to see themselves are righteous and religious.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

I won't bash you but we did come thisclose to having a Jewish Vice President in 2000. A lot of people would say that would never happen either. It almost did.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I won't bash you but we did come thisclose to having a Jewish Vice President in 2000. A lot of people would say that would never happen either. It almost did.

And don't think that that didn't cost the democrats the election, b/c it probably did. Again, don't underestimate the public.

[dr. fager]

I think Al Gore still has my social security in his lock box......whatever that meant.

I see privitization also has come up...oh wait it hasn't. That's what is a joke about these campaigns, In 2K SS was probably the most important issue to me.....now it seems minor. Empty promises to get your vote.