ok, what happened to my pick in the Whirlaway?

[blackthroatedwind]

He's yet another horse to create a phony aura based on a loose lead going two turns on the souped up inner track rail. He joins Magna Graduate and Johannesburg Star as horses that fooled people not following the goings-on on the Aqueduct inner dirt through the first week of January. Anybody actually following those races didn't like Lawrence the Roman today...just as they didn't like Johannesburg Star and Magna Graduate when they bombed in their following races. Frankly, there's a much longer list than that, and thankfully an equally long list of horses that have won back following wide trips on that biased course.

The good news for trip handicappers is the gold rail has reappeared at Aqueduct ( certainly Friday and today ) and if we get a few more weeks of it there will be plenty of money to be made by those willing to do the work when the surface returns to normalcy as it was for the past month.

Lawrence the Roman was 1:2? What a great game!

[The Bid]

God is he a pig, I would hate to know what the new owners bought in for

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by The Bid

God is he a pig, I would hate to know what the new owners bought in for

I, on the other hand, would LOVE to know what the new partners got taken for

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's yet another horse to create a phony aura based on a loose lead going two turns on the souped up inner track rail. He joins Magna Graduate and Johannesburg Star as horses that fooled people not following the goings-on on the Aqueduct inner dirt through the first week of January. Anybody actually following those races didn't like Lawrence the Roman today...just as they didn't like Johannesburg Star and Magna Graduate when they bombed in their following races. Frankly, there's a much longer list than that, and thankfully an equally long list of horses that have won back following wide trips on that biased course.

The good news for trip handicappers is the gold rail has reappeared at Aqueduct ( certainly Friday and today ) and if we get a few more weeks of it there will be plenty of money to be made by those willing to do the work when the surface returns to normalcy as it was for the past month.

Lawrence the Roman was 1:2? What a great game!

Can we infer, then, that the winner today was greatly aided by being inside?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

lawrence will regroup, very good horse with a very very good pedigree

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

lawrence will regroup, very good horse with a very very good pedigree

Point Given has 151 foals older than two years of age. Of those 37 (17%) have won and 7 (3%) have won stakes races. The second coming of Alydar or Bold Ruler he ain't. Some of the current 3 and 4 year olds may yet win, of course, and win stakes races, but since he was a huge horse with dicky ankles, one has to wonder about soundness problems being handed down.

And although the sires down the damline are all first rate, the dams have been somewhat underachieving, with only one SW, winner of Texas-bred stakes races, under the first three dams. By way of contrast, Funny Cide's second dam produced 3 SWs, one graded and 2 in open company.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look I think he'll be a big force in races like the Mike Lee and Albany Handicap but he is not a very good horse and who cares what his pedigree is not that it is very, very good anyway. Thats the best part of horse racing, pedigree only takes you so far.

He can't handle Optimistic Steve, a NY Bred who beat open maidens at Gulfstream today.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I absolutely love this horse and based my entire day on him today. I watched his first race 10 or so times last night and was convinced he was set for a smasher today. Unfortunately I couldn't hit the pic I keyed him in but hit him nice to win. You're right he can't handle him, but I think Steve will be facing open company around the time of those races.

Don't even get me started. His first race was the most impressive off the board finish I think of the year. Unbelievable. You know the worst thing about that race ( you get ten rattles if you actually do )? It was the week before Thanksgiving week, when they moved from the main to the inner, otherwise he would have had the perfect outside post going a one turn mile. What do you think he would have won by under those conditions?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I absolutely love this horse and based my entire day on him today. I watched his first race 10 or so times last night and was convinced he was set for a smasher today. Unfortunately I couldn't hit the pic I keyed him in but hit him nice to win. You're right he can't handle him, but I think Steve will be facing open company around the time of those races.

What blows is he was coupled in the wagering. If he was on his own you would have gotten 8-1, easy. They were betting the other half of the entry.

Haven't we gotten sophisticated enough that all races should be uncoupled??