ok, what happened to my pick in the Whirlaway?

[Travis Stone]

Lawrence the non-Roman stunk today. Never interested in running.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Lawrence the non-Roman stunk today. Never interested in running.

He didn't have the lead.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Lawrence the non-Roman stunk today. Never interested in running.

Not feeling good about that private purchase right now....Nor those bridge jumpers either.

[Travis Stone]

They now just have to re-group and find a spot for him. The rating simply didn't work.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

They now just have to re-group and find a spot for him. The rating simply didn't work.

It wasn't the rating. Prado says he found a nice spot and in the backstretch LTR spit the bit and kept backing up. He never looked like he wanted to go. Per Prado, he came back okay, so he doesn't know what to tell us.

Maybe LTR is sick of the NYC cold. It was "only" 32 degrees today and I was freezing my tuchus off anyway. Or he's sour already.

[SniperSB23]

Is everyone blind or is this just a serious case of denial? LTR ran a 78 and 80 Beyer in his first two races when he wasn't loose on the lead on a conveyor belt track. Today was the same case and he probably ran around those figures. The one race he did get loose on the lead while riding the conveyor belt rail he got loose on the lead and ran a 96 Beyer. As BTW has already pointed out Magna Graduate, Barcola, and Jo Star fit the same profile. I don't know what is more laughable, that this horse was 1/2 today or that he was actually included as one of the 23 horses in the Derby future pool and still sits at 23/1.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't know what is more laughable, that this horse was 1/2 today or that he was actually included as one of the 23 horses in the Derby future pool and still sits at 23/1.

Best point of the entire thread!

A true five rattle post.

[blackthroatedwind]

He's yet another horse to create a phony aura based on a loose lead going two turns on the souped up inner track rail. He joins Magna Graduate and Johannesburg Star as horses that fooled people not following the goings-on on the Aqueduct inner dirt through the first week of January. Anybody actually following those races didn't like Lawrence the Roman today...just as they didn't like Johannesburg Star and Magna Graduate when they bombed in their following races. Frankly, there's a much longer list than that, and thankfully an equally long list of horses that have won back following wide trips on that biased course.

The good news for trip handicappers is the gold rail has reappeared at Aqueduct ( certainly Friday and today ) and if we get a few more weeks of it there will be plenty of money to be made by those willing to do the work when the surface returns to normalcy as it was for the past month.

Lawrence the Roman was 1:2? What a great game!

[The Bid]

God is he a pig, I would hate to know what the new owners bought in for

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by The Bid

God is he a pig, I would hate to know what the new owners bought in for

I, on the other hand, would LOVE to know what the new partners got taken for

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's yet another horse to create a phony aura based on a loose lead going two turns on the souped up inner track rail. He joins Magna Graduate and Johannesburg Star as horses that fooled people not following the goings-on on the Aqueduct inner dirt through the first week of January. Anybody actually following those races didn't like Lawrence the Roman today...just as they didn't like Johannesburg Star and Magna Graduate when they bombed in their following races. Frankly, there's a much longer list than that, and thankfully an equally long list of horses that have won back following wide trips on that biased course.

The good news for trip handicappers is the gold rail has reappeared at Aqueduct ( certainly Friday and today ) and if we get a few more weeks of it there will be plenty of money to be made by those willing to do the work when the surface returns to normalcy as it was for the past month.

Lawrence the Roman was 1:2? What a great game!

Can we infer, then, that the winner today was greatly aided by being inside?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

lawrence will regroup, very good horse with a very very good pedigree

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

lawrence will regroup, very good horse with a very very good pedigree

Point Given has 151 foals older than two years of age. Of those 37 (17%) have won and 7 (3%) have won stakes races. The second coming of Alydar or Bold Ruler he ain't. Some of the current 3 and 4 year olds may yet win, of course, and win stakes races, but since he was a huge horse with dicky ankles, one has to wonder about soundness problems being handed down.

And although the sires down the damline are all first rate, the dams have been somewhat underachieving, with only one SW, winner of Texas-bred stakes races, under the first three dams. By way of contrast, Funny Cide's second dam produced 3 SWs, one graded and 2 in open company.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look I think he'll be a big force in races like the Mike Lee and Albany Handicap but he is not a very good horse and who cares what his pedigree is not that it is very, very good anyway. Thats the best part of horse racing, pedigree only takes you so far.

He can't handle Optimistic Steve, a NY Bred who beat open maidens at Gulfstream today.