JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

[Gander]

I appreciate your honesty Scuds. Have always resepcted you for that. You dont mince words and you are not a head shaker. That goes a long way in life.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gander

I appreciate your honesty Scuds. Have always resepcted you for that. You dont mince words and you are not a head shaker. That goes a long way in life.

Well,I would love to have either of these horses.They have both disappointed at low odds,but each have had their nice moments too.

[ManilaRose]

Not sure I'm in the correct thread but I have 25-50K I'd like to spend on a mediocre racing prospect. I'd like to run 2nd in the GI Wood Memorial, then run 4th in the GI Kentucky Derby, and then win the GI Belmont Stakes. Any help would be appreciated in purchasing this type of mediocre animal.

[ArlJim78]

haha, yes you've come to the right place.

we have some sharpies here that can easily spot the type of mediocrity that you are seeking.

[Gander]

They are all opinions from racing fans. None are right, none are wrong. The problem here is people develop certain biases for certain horses and trainers and they sometime can get in the way of constructive arguments.

To quote a line from Scuds, "I have no dog in this battle." I like Corinthian as a racehorse but was not willing to risk a penny on him yesterday. I know a good friend that works for his connections and that performance was a pleasant surprise yesterday to the connections. They thought he would run good but never thought he'd win by 9 going away like that. I have nothing against Jazil or any horse for that matter, but I do strongly agree with Canon that Jazil is a mediocre horse. Would I like to own him (stupid question), yes. But then again I'd love to own Rogue Agent too. I have never been impressed with any of Jazil's performances. But I wont blame any who like the horse or oooh and awe every time the little guy steps on the track.

Now onto more important things, D Money is running tomorrow in the 1st at the Little A. "Here comes D Money!"...with all the enthusiasm John Imbriale can muster up that early in the day.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

Not sure I'm in the correct thread but I have 25-50K I'd like to spend on a mediocre racing prospect. I'd like to run 2nd in the GI Wood Memorial, then run 4th in the GI Kentucky Derby, and then win the GI Belmont Stakes. Any help would be appreciated in purchasing this type of mediocre animal.

[slotdirt]

If that kind of animal existed for the $25-50k range with regularity, we'd all be horse owners. Find me the last Triple Crown winning horse who was solid at auction as a yearling, weanling, 2YO, or otherwise, that cost less than $50k. Even Funny Cide and Afleet Alex cost more than that.

I understand the post was made tongue and cheek.

[Gander]

When its all said and done, I wonder who will accomplish more...

Funny Cide or Jazil?

Jazil has a lot of work to do to get on par with the 3 time grade 1 winner, but nothing is impossible, especially if Jazil can find more soft grade 1's.

Problem is not a lot of racetracks are condusive to Jazil's running style. Funny Cide made his own racing luck and is a horse who rarely gets in trouble or throws "my dog ate my homework" excuses around when he loses.

[slotdirt]

Seriously? Tagg has had more excuses for Funny Cide's poorer efforts than I can even count. That being said, if Funny Cide had his faculties, he would have been retired three years ago and we wouldn't even have this conversation.

[Gander]

True, Tagg has had excuses of the heat, but I was referring to trouble during the race or the pace being too fast or too slow. Funny Cide never really got into situations that marred him from winning a race.

And that Preakness perfomance was pretty special and Peace Rules turned out to be quite a nice horse, much nicer than anything Jazil beat in the Belmont.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gander

When its all said and done, I wonder who will accomplish more...

Funny Cide or Jazil?

Jazil has a lot of work to do to get on par with the 3 time grade 1 winner, but nothing is impossible, especially if Jazil can find more soft grade 1's.

Problem is not a lot of racetracks are condusive to Jazil's running style. Funny Cide made his own racing luck and is a horse who rarely gets in trouble or throws "my dog ate my homework" excuses around when he loses.

Funny Cide is way ahead now

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

If that kind of animal existed for the $25-50k range with regularity, we'd all be horse owners. Find me the last Triple Crown winning horse who was solid at auction as a yearling, weanling, 2YO, or otherwise, that cost less than $50k. Even Funny Cide and Afleet Alex cost more than that.

I understand the post was made tongue and cheek.

Yeah, I basically just made those figures up. As you said, "the post was made in tongue and cheek." I'd be interested to see some stats on the prices of TC winners. I did a bit of research though and Funny Cide sold for 22k as a yearling and War Emblem sold for 20k as a yearling. I know they sold for more later but one could've had a Classic winner for pretty cheap. I'll try and find some info on others because I'm kind of curious now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

Not sure I'm in the correct thread but I have 25-50K I'd like to spend on a mediocre racing prospect. I'd like to run 2nd in the GI Wood Memorial, then run 4th in the GI Kentucky Derby, and then win the GI Belmont Stakes. Any help would be appreciated in purchasing this type of mediocre animal.

If Jazil was a $25k horse then the story might have a little more appeal.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

jara did move to soon ..fyi

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If Jazil was a $25k horse then the story might have a little more appeal.

He's not a mediocre $25k horse....and that was my point. I don't think we're really that far apart of our opinions on him now that you revised it a few posts ago. He's not likely to accomplish what Funny Cide has due to what you stated earlier. They're aren't 1 1/2 mile races for him. Therefore he'll be left to pick up the pieces in the races that are available to him and probably make quite a bit of money in the process. I just don't consider any horse mediocre that picks up checks multiple times in graded events. Is he mediocre within the handicap division? Possibly. The rest of his career will tell.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

He's not a mediocre $25k horse....and that was my point. I don't think we're really that far apart of our opinions on him now that you revised it a few posts ago. He's not likely to accomplish what Funny Cide has due to what you stated earlier. They're aren't 1 1/2 mile races for him. Therefore he'll be left to pick up the pieces in the races that are available to him and probably make quite a bit of money in the process. I just don't consider any horse mediocre that picks up checks multiple times in graded events. Is he mediocre within the handicap division? Possibly. The rest of his career will tell.

I never revised my opinion on the horse . Until proven otherwise he is a 2nd tier handicap horse that needs a distance that he will not get and has a style that makes it tough for him on the dirt.

Picking up checks is great for those on the Dee Tee stable budget but you expect a little more from Classic winners. The fact that he has lost three times in three chances in allowances races does not lead me to believe that he is on his way to the head of the class anytime soon.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never revised my opinion on the horse .

Ok, so maybe revised isn't a good word. Maybe clarified would be better. I agree that he is a mediocre classic winner, not that he is a mediocre horse.

[Gander]

Is he a horse that has won 2 races in Feb of his 4 year old year? Yes.

I dont get this? Jazil hasnt won any races since the Belmont Stakes. Can you explain?

Hooves, I wont argue with maybe Jara did move too early, but do you think it cost him any different finishing position? I know you stated a fact, regardless of how good Corinthian was, Jara may have movd too soon. But in my opinion if he waited he would have still been 2nd best, only maybe 3 lengths better at best.

And I dont get the whole "he only cost $25K" argument. Who the heck cares how much horses cost except for the owner? It should make no difference at all to the fans, none. Zip. Nada. The argument is how good a horse Jazil is compared to other triple crown winners.

Like Canon, I will stay firm with my opinion. Doesnt not make him a neat little horse. Ya like him, ya like him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never revised my opinion on the horse . Until proven otherwise he is a 2nd tier handicap horse that needs a distance that he will not get and has a style that makes it tough for him on the dirt.

Picking up checks is great for those on the Dee Tee stable budget but you expect a little more from Classic winners. The fact that he has lost three times in three chances in allowances races does not lead me to believe that he is on his way to the head of the class anytime soon.

Well,if he is so pathetic,then surely you will give me 10-1 odds on him winning a Grade 2 or better in 2007.If he is just gunna pick up minor checks,then you can easily pick up a hundred or 2 from SCUDS.Just give me a minimum of 5 starts(any level) in the rest of 2007.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,if he is so pathetic,then surely you will give me 10-1 odds on him winning a Grade 2 or better in 2007.If he is just gunna pick up minor checks,then you can easily pick up a hundred or 2 from SCUDS.Just give me a minimum of 5 starts(any level) in the rest of 2007.

How about I give you 10-1 that he doesn't make 5 more starts in 2007?