Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

another good point...since there is a program here that encourages hunters to donate extra meat to the local food shelf and many of them do. I actually haven't eaten red meat since I was a kid and only eat chicken/turkey/duck on rare occasions (and then from local farms whenever possible)...and I while I never liked seafood much I gave it up entirely after working in a fish market...

I did call the game warden and we are on the list for a decoy next fall...should be fun

oh, i love when they set up decoys roadside and wait for some idiot to come along. it's hilarious! it only gets better when they shoot, decoy remains in the same spot, and they try again. huh! deer just standing there. lemme try agin. then they try to wiggle out by yelling entrapment. yeah, leave the legal issues to the lawyers there homer.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh, i love when they set up decoys roadside and wait for some idiot to come along. it's hilarious! it only gets better when they shoot, decoy remains in the same spot, and they try again. huh! deer just standing there. lemme try agin. then they try to wiggle out by yelling entrapment. yeah, leave the legal issues to the lawyers there homer.

Oh I'll go one better for you...last fall a guy drove his car into a field and plowed into the decoy (around here you get first dibs on your roadkill)...

a very expensive mistake since he got a bunch of fines and had to pay for the decoy he destroyed...I guess they cost a couple grand

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Oh I'll go one better for you...last fall a guy drove his car into a field and plowed into the decoy (around here you get first dibs on your roadkill)...

a very expensive mistake since he got a bunch of fines and had to pay for the decoy he destroyed...I guess they cost a couple grand

LMAO

oh man, you need to set up a recorder when they set it up this fall...what a moron.

not funny tho to hit a deer-$5k damages to a brand new mustang a few years ago. joker came out of nowhere. he had bad morals i guess, as he was jaywalking.

[Downthestretch55]

This has been an interesting thread.
I've stayed out for a while, as it seems that comparing all hunters to three deranged children shooting horses reall makes all hunters bad people.
Quite the comparison.
Yes, Danzig, you are right on all counts.
Sometimes bringing truth to prejudice just ain't gonna turn that mentality around, sad to say.
Yes, I hunt and I fish.
Yes, I eat what I take. I don't shoot coyotes, foxes, bobcats...or anything else that I don't intend to prepare in my kitchen in the best way possible.
Yes, I also plant a garden.
I throw back fish if they're undersized (though the PETA folks tried to outlaw fishing in the past, as it hurt the little fish's lips)...OH MY!!
Comparing responsible hunters and fishermen (women) with three yahoos in a pickup shooting grazing horses is just a lot of manure.
On a side note, I went bowling a week ago. A lady that had been drinking far too much picked up her bowling ball, walked back to slug down another sip before she tossed it down the lane, but dropped it on one of her team mate's feet....a broken toe.
I'm tellin' ya!!!! BOWLING SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!!!!!!!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

This has been an interesting thread.
I've stayed out for a while, as it seems that comparing all hunters to three deranged children shooting horses reall makes all hunters bad people.
Quite the comparison.
Yes, Danzig, you are right on all counts.
Sometimes bringing truth to prejudice just ain't gonna turn that mentality around, sad to say.
Yes, I hunt and I fish.
Yes, I eat what I take. I don't shoot coyotes, foxes, bobcats...or anything else that I don't intend to prepare in my kitchen in the best way possible.
Yes, I also plant a garden.
I throw back fish if they're undersized (though the PETA folks tried to outlaw fishing in the past, as it hurt the little fish's lips)...OH MY!!
Comparing responsible hunters and fishermen (women) with three yahoos in a pickup shooting grazing horses is just a lot of manure.
On a side note, I went bowling a week ago. A lady that had been drinking far too much picked up her bowling ball, walked back to slug down another sip before she tossed it down the lane, but dropped it on one of her team mate's feet....a broken toe.
I'm tellin' ya!!!! BOWLING SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!!!!!!!!!

i don't shoot anything that i'm not going to eat. PERIOD. i've been called crazy for not shooting bobcats, as they eat turkey hatchlings. but aren't they supposed to?
besides, i don't eat bobcat.
i don't shoot birds. they have crow hunting-you should have seen the look i got when i asked if people eat them. apparently they don't--so why is there a season? i didn't get a good answer to that either.

but hopefully, at least someone, or two, will read all this mess and maybe realize we don't all go around in dented pickups with a crazed look, shooting deer by the hundreds and leaving them to rot....

and that was a funny bowling story. didn't know that sport could be so lethal.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't shoot anything that i'm not going to eat. PERIOD. i've been called crazy for not shooting bobcats, as they eat turkey hatchlings. but aren't they supposed to?
besides, i don't eat bobcat.
i don't shoot birds. they have crow hunting-you should have seen the look i got when i asked if people eat them. apparently they don't--so why is there a season? i didn't get a good answer to that either.

but hopefully, at least someone, or two, will read all this mess and maybe realize we don't all go around in dented pickups with a crazed look, shooting deer by the hundreds and leaving them to rot....

and that was a funny bowling story. didn't know that sport could be so lethal.

I do agree that a lot of folks like to group people together unfairly...I haven't done that. I lived a number of years in WVa and married my first wife there...I've met some of the most intelligent folks I've known in those mountains. Just because a young woman doesn't know who Moby Dick was is no reason to view her as "inferior", just because she may not be "beautiful" in the eyes of one person doesn't doom her to a life without meaning. In an attempt to be sarcastic in another thread I stated that I think it's disgusting that folks look at me questioningly when I speak of "making Godot look punctual"....

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I do agree that a lot of folks like to group people together unfairly...I haven't done that. I lived a number of years in WVa and married my first wife there...I've met some of the most intelligent folks I've known in those mountains. Just because a young woman doesn't know who Moby Dick was is no reason to view her as "inferior", just because she may not be "beautiful" in the eyes of one person doesn't doom her to a life without meaning. In an attempt to be sarcastic in another thread I stated that I think it's disgusting that folks look at me questioningly when I speak of "making Godot look punctual"....

How many times you been married? You're like Liz Taylor?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

How many times you been married? You're like Liz Taylor?

No, I stop at twice....first lasted 16 years, this last one 22 years...I guess at least I can say I'm getting better.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I do agree that a lot of folks like to group people together unfairly...I haven't done that. I lived a number of years in WVa and married my first wife there...I've met some of the most intelligent folks I've known in those mountains. Just because a young woman doesn't know who Moby Dick was is no reason to view her as "inferior", just because she may not be "beautiful" in the eyes of one person doesn't doom her to a life without meaning. In an attempt to be sarcastic in another thread I stated that I think it's disgusting that folks look at me questioningly when I speak of "making Godot look punctual"....

my gran is from west virginia. a rather unpleasant person btw....

that's true tho-there are many types of intelligence. i read a lot, and have a brain stuffed with generally useless trivia-my husband is not a reader by any means. my children made the mistake once of informing me that i was a lot smarter then my husband. well, they quickly learned that not much sets me off quicker than an attack on my husband-only thing comparable would be an attack on one of my children. i informed them that i know things he does not, but he knows plenty i do not-and that they were doing him an injustice and selling him quite short. of course they're older now, and understand much better and appreciate him a lot.
guy i work with can't spell worth a damn-but he can fix anything and everything, and i have said more than once i enny his knowledge and i have much respect for him.

altho some might disagree, i think this was a pretty good discussion, all things considering.

you're a good person somer, rigid, but i appreciate that-i've been accused of the same thing!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't shoot anything that i'm not going to eat. PERIOD. i've been called crazy for not shooting bobcats, as they eat turkey hatchlings. but aren't they supposed to?
besides, i don't eat bobcat.
i don't shoot birds. they have crow hunting-you should have seen the look i got when i asked if people eat them. apparently they don't--so why is there a season? i didn't get a good answer to that either.

but hopefully, at least someone, or two, will read all this mess and maybe realize we don't all go around in dented pickups with a crazed look, shooting deer by the hundreds and leaving them to rot....

and that was a funny bowling story. didn't know that sport could be so lethal.

Danzig,
I don't shoot crows either, though there seem to be plenty around.
Heck, I even caught a sea gull once while I was blue fishing.
Released unharmed, though it tried like crazy to take off my fingers...such an ingrate!
I do hunt birds...ruffed grouse (partridge in these parts), woodcock, and pheasants. Never over my limit, and all eaten.
Wild turkey is pretty good too, especially after a maple brine and hickory smoke in the smoker.
Basically, I don't waste any of the harvest.
It's not the blood, the kill, or the pulling of the trigger that makes it important to me. That's such a small part of it, and frankly, it gives me no joy.
The truth of it is that there's something about hunting and fishing that connects me with something far bigger than me. Not many folks will understand that. Nor do I want to try to convince them.
All I ask is for tolerance.
And yes, I've been involved in chickens, pigs, lambs, veal, and most of the other meats that come so neatly wrapped in the refrigerator case in the supermarket. To be honest, we always gave the critters the best food, care, and life possible. It's as real as my stringbeans and tomatoes.
All part of the "garden" called abundance. Gosh, I love it all.
Thanks for tolerating my rant.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I don't shoot crows either, though there seem to be plenty around.
Heck, I even caught a sea gull once while I was blue fishing.
Released unharmed, though it tried like crazy to take off my fingers...such an ingrate!
I do hunt birds...ruffed grouse (partridge in these parts), woodcock, and pheasants. Never over my limit, and all eaten.
Wild turkey is pretty good too, especially after a maple brine and hickory smoke in the smoker.
Basically, I don't waste any of the harvest.
It's not the blood, the kill, or the pulling of the trigger that makes it important to me. That's such a small part of it, and frankly, it gives me no joy.
The truth of it is that there's something about hunting and fishing that connects me with something far bigger than me. Not many folks will understand that. Nor do I want to try to convince them.
All I ask is for tolerance.
And yes, I've been involved in chickens, pigs, lambs, veal, and most of the other meats that come so neatly wrapped in the refrigerator case in the supermarket. To be honest, we always gave the critters the best food, care, and life possible. It's as real as my stringbeans and tomatoes.
All part of the "garden" called abundance. Gosh, I love it all.
Thanks for tolerating my rant.

i have hunted, unsuccesfully thus far, for turkey. hard, hard bird. can see almost 360 degrees, detect the slightest movement. they don't suffer fools, and are quick learners.
you described hunting, and the lack of 'joy', very well.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i have hunted, unsuccesfully thus far, for turkey. hard, hard bird. can see almost 360 degrees, detect the slightest movement. they don't suffer fools, and are quick learners.
you described hunting, and the lack of 'joy', very well.

when they have babies those are some scary birds!!! I had a momma chase around my horses one day because she was out in their field with her little guys that couldn't fly yet to get over the fence...I had to herd her out with the boss's range rover