Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I see what you are saying, but I think you are kind of misinterpreting what we are saying. It's not that I don't understand hunting, I just don't agree with it. I get the spiritual thing about being in the woods and seeing the animals, that stuff is great. So what I don't agree with is how you can be in the woods, see the animals and be moved by the experience and then either shoot one or take a shot at one. That seems odd to me.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing. different strokes for different folks. i understand it seems odd to you, but it doesn't seem odd to me...also wish that the difference could be left at that, and not degenerate into name calling by some.
we're different. doesn't make one of us wrong, or one of us right.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Agreed and honestly I didn't see the name calling. You are right we all should be able to have a discussion without name calling. I didn't call anyone anything did I? I did a little drunk posting last night, maybe I should go back and read some things.

I know I don't personalize arguments....my issues aren't with hunters but with the mindset. In the past hunting was necessary, hell...even Wiccans pay homage to the hunt...our Lord/God often depicted with horns to signify the male role of provider (ie: hunter)...but today, the vast majority of folks don't have to hunt to avoid starving. As I've said before, you hunt to put food on your family's table....that's not only your right but your responsibility, but hunting as a sport??? Sorry, nothing spiritual about it unless you practice animal sacrifice as part of your religion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I know I don't personalize arguments....my issues aren't with hunters but with the mindset. In the past hunting was necessary, hell...even Wiccans pay homage to the hunt...our Lord/God often depicted with horns to signify the male role of provider (ie: hunter)...but today, the vast majority of folks don't have to hunt to avoid starving. As I've said before, you hunt to put food on your family's table....that's not only your right but your responsibility, but hunting as a sport??? Sorry, nothing spiritual about it unless you practice animal sacrifice as part of your religion.

ever grow a garden? raise chickens? pigs? go fishing? none of them are 'necessary'. personally, i think the fact that stores and all the goodies inside sanitized things too much. people see 'hamburger', not dead cow..or brisket, tenderloin, boneless breast instead of the chicken....neatly wrapped packages on display...all the dirty work done for you.

[Gander]

Big difference between putting tomato plants in the ground versus putting a 2 inch hole in bambi.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

Big difference between putting tomato plants in the ground versus putting a 2 inch hole in bambi.

not really. it's all a part of being self-reliant, being part of nature.

hey, i'm not trying to convert anyone. just trying to put things in context a bit, and trying to let others know i'm not morally corrupt or lacking respect for life, which are some of the things i've read in this thread.

and bambi is a cartoon character. the proper term would be virginia whitetail...or Odocoileus virginianus.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Agreed and honestly I didn't see the name calling. You are right we all should be able to have a discussion without name calling. I didn't call anyone anything did I? I did a little drunk posting last night, maybe I should go back and read some things.

no, i don't think you called anyone anything. i'm willing to discuss just about anything, i just don't like when people slap labels.

but then, i really wish this thread hadn't got into all this. not sure the connection between abuse and hunting. they don't go together. plenty of abusers out there who wouldn't know one end of a gun from the other.