GS Sat not as good as thought??

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by point given

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

Nobody listens to me.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nobody listens to me.

yeah, i know, not even at Siro's

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by point given

yeah, i know, not even at Siro's

Especially there.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by point given

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

I don't know how seriously this was discussed, but it is an impossibility because of Gulfstream's already short stretch. Gulfstream's full stretch is 898 feet. If you start and finish 9 furlong races at the 1/16th pole, you'd have a stretch measuring a whopping 568 feet, that's even shorter than 5/8 mile tracks like Fairplex and Los Al.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't know how seriously this was discussed, but it is an impossibility because of Gulfstream's already short stretch. Gulfstream's full stretch is 898 feet. If you start and finish 9 furlong races at the 1/16th pole, you'd have a stretch measuring a whopping 568 feet, that's even shorter than 5/8 mile tracks like Fairplex and Los Al.

NT

You're probably right but I would be curious to know the stretch distance at Keeneland when they use the first finish line there?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're probably right but I would be curious to know the stretch distance at Keeneland when they use the first finish line there?

According to DRF Track Information the Keeneland stretch is 1,174 feet. That would mean the 1 1/16 mile races with the shortened stretch go 844 feet.

Oaklawn also uses the 1/16th pole start for one mile races and their shortened stretch goes 825 feet, 1,155 normally.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

According to DRF Track Information the Keeneland stretch is 1,174 feet. That would mean the 1 1/16 mile races with the shortened stretch go 844 feet.

Oaklawn also uses the 1/16th pole start for one mile races and their shortened stretch goes 825 feet, 1,155 normally.

NT

Thanks. I hadn't realized Gulfstream had such a short stretch. Probably had to make room for a Starbucks or two.

The horses skipping this race or that race in order for an easier spot is because there are too many graded races. We have talked about this before but it is just the way things are. So many connections use graded races as a prep race for another graded race.

No matter who shows up to take on Invasor, they were not going to win unless something out of the ordinary happened in the race.

[JJP]

Can somebody refresh my memory: why did Magna reconstruct the configuration of Gulfstream? When one thinks of GP, one thinks of the 3YO preps leading up to, and obviously including, the Florida Derby, which is at 1 1/8 miles. I wonder if they would consider going to 1 3/16 miles just to make things more fair.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

Can somebody refresh my memory: why did Magna reconstruct the configuration of Gulfstream? When one thinks of GP, one thinks of the 3YO preps leading up to, and obviously including, the Florida Derby, which is at 1 1/8 miles. I wonder if they would consider going to 1 3/16 miles just to make things more fair.

I believe the main track circumfrence is related to his desire to make a wider turf course. While I applaud the better turf course, the old one was far from terrific, the 1 1/8 new track is problematic. On the one hand, the new mile chute enabling one turn miles is very good, but the problems associated with the short run to the first turn for 1 1/8 races has diminished the track.

I guess you can't have everything.

[cakes44]

Are these races on ESPN this weekend or no?