Steve Nash

[Gander]

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

Originally Posted by Gander

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

I will end if you can give me a player with better hands and a better post scorer than Duncan. You are watching an all time great in Tim, Tim. I think, I thought, you did not like NBA basketball so how can you rate if you dont watch the games? And the guy has the same first name as you and is nothing but a gentleman. Although he gripes way too much now.

David Robinson was a much better athlete than Tim Duncan, but not even close as a basketball player. I think Robinson is overrated. He was the best athlete to ever play center imo, but a very ordinary basketball player. There, hows that for Spur bias.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will end if you can give me a player with better hands and a better post scorer than Duncan. You are watching an all time great in Tim, Tim. I think, I thought, you did not like NBA basketball so how can you rate if you dont watch the games? And the guy has the same first name as you and is nothing but a gentleman. Although he gripes way too much now.

David Robinson was a much better athlete than Tim Duncan, but not even close as a basketball player. I think Robinson is overrated. He was the best athlete to ever play center imo, but a very ordinary basketball player. There, hows that for Spur bias.

....... tim makes my 2nd team as power foward........ he plays the game the way it should be played..... my 1st team goes
1. wilt chamberlain ( the most dominant athlete of all time )
2. larry bird
3.michael jordan
4. jerry west
5. ervin johnson

2nd team
1. lew alcindor
2. tim duncan
3. elgin baylor
4. kobe bryant
5. oscar robertson

[Seattleallstar]

Tim Duncan is overrated, keep in mind Andres Nocioni made him his bitch along with Kevin Garnett.

Wheres Hakeem O, Billy Cunningham, a whole host of others.



Most overrated NBA player imo has to be Robert Parish

[King Glorious]

When discussing Kevin McHale, it's important to note that most of his prime years came when he was playing with Larry Bird. It's important because McHale was never the focal point of the offense. If he had been, I have little doubt that he would have gone on to erase a lot of the doubts people have about him. He was one of the best inside men I've ever seen. Footwork was second to none, save for maybe Hakeem Olajuwon. He didn't commit to rebounding as much as I would have liked but defensively, he was far above average. I don't know exactly where I would rank him against Karl Malone and Charles Barkley but for my money, those are the three best ever. And I'd take all three over Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in a heartbeat. That's not to say that Duncan and Garnett aren't all-time great players because they are. But not with those other three in my opinion. My selections for an all-time 12 man roster:

1st team
c-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
f-Hakeem Olajuwon
f-Larry Bird
g-John Stockton
g-Michael Jordan

2nd team
c-Wilt Chamberlain
f-Bill Russell
f-Charles Barkley
g-Magic Johnson
g-Pete Maravich

last two
Oscar Robertson
Dennis Rodman

People who have watched Duncan and are not astounded with the footwork just dont know basketball. That what I gotta conclude. Both hands with the baby hook straight in, off the backboard...

There just are no other big men that had/have extensive use of both hands like Duncan, which requires the ability to be able to pivot off either foot equally well. Therefore, best footwork EVER. And best hands ever. You can throw him a pass in almost any position and he catches it without a bobble thus allowing him to get a move in quickly before he gets closed in on. I will admit he is physically he is in his downhill years.

Hakeem had great pivot moves in that they were so quick, and used for his little fall away or a move back to the basket. But no use of both hands for either McHale or Hakeem.

Im sorry, but its not close. Not at all. Ive watched all of these guys extensively (ie their entire careers)

What is astounding about Hakeem is he was absolutely terrible as a freshman at UH. His soccer skills must have added in his very steep learning curve. People also used to compare Patrick Ewing with Hakeem. This is also a joke. Ewing was not even close to the player Hakeem was. Ewing was terribly immobile in comparison to the aforementioned. He had a very good baseline jumpshot which allowed him to remain a competent center well after his athleticism left him.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by turdbucket67

all i know is that bird isn't even close to being in the top 20 players ever!!!! lets be honest, there are atleast 10 players playing today that would school bird on the court

TB, how old are you??

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nothing is quite that bad.

you wanna see me got confrontational????

[Gander]

I saw Mike Jordan play, he was good. But Bird was Bird. More of a team player. Jordan was all about Mikey.