Dreaming of Anna pointed towards the Derby?!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

Snip, she doesn't have to be on the lead, she is flexible, she won at Woodbine from like 6 back or something......

Um...Tom....not to burst your bubble, but she was on the pace the entire race at Woodbine...never worse that 2nd the whole race, just off the pace setter.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by T3B

Um...Tom....not to burst your bubble, but she was on the pace the entire race at Woodbine...never worse that 2nd the whole race, just off the pace setter.

She won a race f'n rating, that is all i know

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Scav

She won a race f'n rating, that is all i know

Which one?

[ArlJim78]

You just watch, this team will screw up this horse, mark my words.

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

You just watch, this team will screw up this horse, mark my words.

These posts are the best! It amazes me how pessimistic this board is.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by smartyalex

These posts are the best! It amazes me how pessimistic this board is.

Thats nothing, i can be far more pessimistic actually.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Thats nothing, i can be far more pessimistic actually.

Ain't that the truth!

I have often wondered why trainers do not attempt races like the Illinois Derby, Ohio Derby etc etc with their top fillies. Those fields are usually weak or only have 1 major contendar.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have often wondered why trainers do not attempt races like the Illinois Derby, Ohio Derby etc etc with their top fillies. Those fields are usually weak or only have 1 major contendar.

That's what I would do. Usually, trainers try it once and if they lose, they give up. They should do like Lukas did with Serena's Song. I believe she won the Jim Beam early, lost the Derby and then won the Haskell later.

As Danzig said, fillies run against males all the time everywhere else in the world except here. It's really not as big a deal as people make it to be.

Also, this year's 3yo's don't seem to be that good of a group to me. I can't think of a single one that would scare me off if I had a good colt or filly at this point. The only ones that would cause me any concern are Nobiz and maybe Any Given Saturday. As we all know, so much can happen and change between now and Derby day so I'd at least point her to the race. Take a route with races facing males earlier. If she fails, she could always fall back to female races in time for the Oaks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's what I would do. Usually, trainers try it once and if they lose, they give up. They should do like Lukas did with Serena's Song. I believe she won the Jim Beam early, lost the Derby and then won the Haskell later.

As Danzig said, fillies run against males all the time everywhere else in the world except here. It's really not as big a deal as people make it to be.

Also, this year's 3yo's don't seem to be that good of a group to me. I can't think of a single one that would scare me off if I had a good colt or filly at this point. The only ones that would cause me any concern are Nobiz and maybe Any Given Saturday. As we all know, so much can happen and change between now and Derby day so I'd at least point her to the race. Take a route with races facing males earlier. If she fails, she could always fall back to female races in time for the Oaks.

depends on how she runs. genuine risk ran third in the wood behind plugged nickel. that showed she belonged. the rest is history.
what the heck, half (or more) of the colts who run each year don't belong, certainly the top two year old filly would have more of a compelling argument for belonging than some of the others!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Which one?

Summer Stakes @ Woodbine...she never was more than 1 length off the leader the whole race until she decided she was done playing with the boys.

There have been worse fillies who have faced the boys.

She's already faced them and beaten them, so that's definitely a mark in her favor, as all the other female Derby winners ran against colts before Derby Day.

For the past few years, everyone has talked about the BCJ Fillies winner taking on the colts (Storm Flag Flying, Halfbridled, Sweet Catomine, etc) and it never panned out, so let's not get our knickers in a twist yet, saying that Dreaming of Anna is going to be ruined when we don't even know what her first race is going to be.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gemtwyst

There have been worse fillies who have faced the boys.

She's already faced them and beaten them, so that's definitely a mark in her favor, as all the other female Derby winners ran against colts before Derby Day.

For the past few years, everyone has talked about the BCJ Fillies winner taking on the colts (Storm Flag Flying, Halfbridled, Sweet Catomine, etc) and it never panned out, so let's not get our knickers in a twist yet, saying that Dreaming of Anna is going to be ruined when we don't even know what her first race is going to be.

Exactly....

[brianwspencer]

the thing to remember to, for those who follow chicago racing with any regularity, is that Catalano is the trainer he is, and has the percentage he has because he spots his horses realistically. Many of his horses would show up in AOC races for many other trainers, but he'll drop them right back into claimers to get a win.

With that in mind, if they think Anna's got any shot (ie she races well this Spring), I've got to think they would send her there. But knowing how Catalano spots his horses, even with Calabrese breathing down his neck, I would be hard pressed to think they'd throw her to the wolves just for the sake of doing it. If she shows well this Spring, I imagine they'd send her, and if she's done well this Spring -- they'd have every reason to.

(have no idea how i ended up posting this in another thread!)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gemtwyst

There have been worse fillies who have faced the boys.

She's already faced them and beaten them, so that's definitely a mark in her favor, as all the other female Derby winners ran against colts before Derby Day.

For the past few years, everyone has talked about the BCJ Fillies winner taking on the colts (Storm Flag Flying, Halfbridled, Sweet Catomine, etc) and it never panned out, so let's not get our knickers in a twist yet, saying that Dreaming of Anna is going to be ruined when we don't even know what her first race is going to be.

exactly so....

fillies face colts quite often everywhere but here. it doesn't hurt them to run against colts.