Declans Moon

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Was Buzzards Bay a terrible horse? Not at all.....I just think he was a one race wonder...and his record pretty much shows that....

I don't know how you can say BB is a one-race wonder. He is a mulitiple graded stakes winner. He won the Grade I Santa Anita Derby. He won the Grade III All American Handicap. He won the Grade II Oaklawn Handicap. He is obviously not a one-race wonder. A one race wonder is a horse that has only won one big race.

With regard to Ellis, his numbers speak for themselves. Bad trainers don't have years when they win at 29% clips. Bad trainers don't win graded stakes races at a 40% clip.

I noticed you are starting to backtrack a bit. At first you said that Ellis is terrible. Now you are saying that he is average.

What do you expect from him when he comes on TVG? I never said that he could make his living handicapping. I think he comes off fine on TVG. He comes off just as well as the other trainers that they have on.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know how you can say BB is a one-race wonder. He is a mulitiple graded stakes winner. He won the Grade I Santa Anita Derby. He won the Grade III All American Handicap. He won the Grade II Oaklawn Handicap. He is obviously not a one-race wonder. A one race wonder is a horse that has only won one big race.

With regard to Ellis, his numbers speak for themselves. Bad trainers don't have years when they win at 29% clips. Bad trainers don't win graded stakes races at a 40% clip.

I noticed you are starting to backtrack a bit. At first you said that Ellis is terrible. Now you are saying that he is average.

What do you expect from him when he comes on TVG? I never said that he could make his living handicapping. I think he comes off fine on TVG. He comes off just as well as the other trainers that they have on.

Terrible job with DM/Average trainer.......

What do I expect from a trainer who comes on TVG to talk about horses? Not a whole lot....just not to be a blithering idiot at times....I loved it when he was on during the Del MAr Derby...I loved Get Funky.....Ellis...the brainiac that he is says the following about the horse:

"Well...I think the one thing about this horse is after the races we all like to get funky down here by the beach.....you need to consider that"

What in gods name is this idiot saying? Then during the post parade he said the same damn thing...

The guy is embarassing on TV.....He picked another horse to win....I was that much more comfortable betting Get Funky......he won at 6-1 rather easily...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Terrible job with DM/Average trainer.......

What do I expect from a trainer who comes on TVG to talk about horses? Not a whole lot....just not to be a blithering idiot at times....I loved it when he was on during the Del MAr Derby...I loved Get Funky.....Ellis...the brainiac that he is says the following about the horse:

"Well...I think the one thing about this horse is after the races we all like to get funky down here by the beach.....you need to consider that"

What in gods name is this idiot saying? Then during the post parade he said the same damn thing...

The guy is embarassing on TV.....He picked another horse to win....I was that much more comfortable betting Get Funky......he won at 6-1 rather easily...

I don't think his comment about "getting funky" at the beach is a big deal. That will hardly be the first time or last time that one of these guys will make a bad joke.

You are correct that there are time when some of these guys including Ellis will go on the air without doing their homework. Sometimes they don't have time. Ron sometimes goes on as a last minute replacement. Not only that, these trainers wake up at 5:00am, go to work and then have to sometimes go straight to the set at TVG. Sometimes they don't have time to prepare and they just handicap the races as they go along.

With regard to Tom Amoss, I think he can be hit or miss. I've seen him make some very insightful comments on "The Works". Other times, I've seen him say some really ridiculous things. The funniest thing is when he keeps saying that the horses' ears are forward because they are waiting for a command. He's right that it is a good sign when their are forward. Their ears come forward when they are enjoying themselves out there and are going really easy without much effort. A horse's ears will not be forward when they are fully exerting themselves. Anyway, when their ears are forward, they are not necessarily waiting for a command. It just means that they are going easy without much effort and are enjoying themselves. It may or may not mean that they are waiting for a command. But ever time Amoss is on, all he ever talks about is how the horse is waiting for a command.