Declans Moon

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Why can't I. I dont think he is much of a trainer. Running this horse in spots where he has no business isnt exactly a bright move. Then bringing him back pretty quickly when something is obviously wrong doesnt qualify as smart.

As far as the "stupid man" comment.....I read this year where he said he was looking forwards to running DM in the Strub Series this year...you know the series for 3 yr olds turning 4 in 2007. Last I checked DM was a 5 yr old in 2007. Now either he didnt know the conditions for the series (clueless) or he is just a stupid individual. Either way.....doesn't look to good....

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

He was quoted in the DRF THIS YEAR. Go back and look for yourself.....it was pointed out to me by a few different people.....even I couldnt make something that funny up.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:


From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.






Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:


From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.




Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

That was the mistake of the person who wrote the article. Read Ellis' quote. Ellis didn't mention the Strub Series. Ellis said, "The long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita." Ellis did not mention the Strub Series. The person who wrote the article was the one who mentioned the Strub Series. The writer obviously forget how old DM was.

I can assure you that Ellis never mentioned the Strub Series.

[lg1965]

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

If I recall, there was only one poster on here "handing Zito's ass to him."

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If I recall, there was only one poster on here "handing Zito's ass to him."

You are correct. There is only one poster that had anything negative to say about Zito on this board. I like both trainers too Cajun.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You are correct. There is only one poster that had anything negative to say about Zito on this board. I like both trainers too Cajun.

That's what I thought... I seem to remember everyone else arguing with Euro about it. LOL

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

There is no chance that Ellis mentioned the Strub Series. I know Ellis very well. He knows what's going on. He knows how old his horse is. The reason I asked to see the quote was because I knew that there was no chance that Ellis said that. Sure enough, there is no quote from Ellis that mentions the Strub. If he said he was going to run in the Strub Series, that's what the quote would have said. If he was that specific in mentioning the Strub Series, then why would the quote have only mentioned "the big races at Santa Anita"? Do you think in one sentence he said, "I'm pointing him for the Strub Series."? Then in the next sentence he said, "Im pointing him for the big races at Santa Anita."? That's ridiculous. It was obviously the writer that made the mistake.

With regard to Nick Zito, I think he is a very good trainer.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There is no chance that Ellis mentioned the Strub Series. I know Ellis very well. He knows what's going on. He knows how old his horse is. The reason I asked to see the quote was because I knew that there was no chance that Ellis said that. Sure enough, there is no quote from Ellis that mentions the Strub. If he said he was going to run in the Strub Series, that's what the quote would have said. If he was that specific in mentioning the Strub Series, then why would the quote have only mentioned "the big races at Santa Anita"? Do you think in one sentence he said, "I'm pointing him for the Strub Series."? Then in the next sentence he said, "Im pointing him for the big races at Santa Anita."? That's ridiculous. It was obviously the writer that made the mistake.

With regard to Nick Zito, I think he is a very good trainer.

The Zito thing wasnt meant for you...was meant for that idiot on here who was blasting him...

He says he is pointing for big races at SA.....The Strub and The Malibu are probably two of the top races (along with big cap and SA Derby)....so I dont get your argument there...those are big races at SA

Listen...I think Ellis is an average trainer at best who really screwed up with Declan's moon.....my opinion which I have the right to.....

You like they guy and think a lot more of him than me....thats fine....lets move on

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

Yes...I heard from other people Ellis mentioned the same thing on TV somewhere....it's obvious..the guy isnt too bright...and comes across as a real cocky prick on tv ....it's funny how he embarasses himself when he is on TVG..

Zito and Ellis shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence. One guy is a hall of fame trainer with a great record...one guy is an average trainer from so-cal who has won a few stakes races....nothing major....like comparing Michael Jordan to Spud Webb

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That was the mistake of the person who wrote the article. Read Ellis' quote. Ellis didn't mention the Strub Series. Ellis said, "The long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita." Ellis did not mention the Strub Series. The person who wrote the article was the one who mentioned the Strub Series. The writer obviously forget how old DM was.

I can assure you that Ellis never mentioned the Strub Series.

You sure do assume a lot of things.....have an answer for everything.

Ron Ellis is an average trainer at best......I have pretty much showed you a lot of evidence...and you have come up with some pretty weak responses....

If you really want a laugh watch when he is a guest on TVG.....there he really embarasses himself....

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

actually, he did say that.. sometime in the fall, he was asked what the plans were for declans moon and he said he was aiming him for the malibu, and then maybe the san fernando. it was only 4-5 months ago.

i distinctly remember reading it, as did other people that i discussed it with (one of which who posts here). i always considered ellis a good trainer, but at that moment, i really doubted his mental sharpness.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

actually, he did say that.. sometime in the fall, he was asked what the plans were for declans moon and he said he was aiming him for the malibu, and then maybe the san fernando. it was only 4-5 months ago.

i distinctly remember reading it, as did other people that i discussed it with (one of which who posts here). i always considered ellis a good trainer, but at that moment, i really doubted his mental sharpness.

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

maybe, but in that case, i timewarped 16 months in what seemed like 4 months time.

anything is possible i suppose!

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

The quote was from 2006......just face the facts..

If you know him well, a word of advice for him....tell him to stay off of TVG...he really comes across as an idiot....that or he should do his homework before going on TV......

Tom Amoss does a great job when they have him on...maybe Ellis should watch some tapes of Amoss and see how its done...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

The quote was from 2006......just face the facts..

If you know him well, a word of advice for him....tell him to stay off of TVG...he really comes across as an idiot....that or he should do his homework before going on TV......

Tom Amoss does a great job when they have him on...maybe Ellis should watch some tapes of Amoss and see how its done...

You have to realize that they are different personalities. I know NEITHER of them but Amoss seems brash and from all accounts, is a serious gambler. Amoss doesn't care what he says either. Ellis seems to be the exact opposite.

Those guys are out of their element on TVG. They come from a world where you have to tread lightly with your opinions because potential owners here that and boom, one wrong statement and you lose a client.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Scav

You have to realize that they are different personalities. I know NEITHER of them but Amoss seems brash and from all accounts, is a serious gambler. Amoss doesn't care what he says either. Ellis seems to be the exact opposite.

Those guys are out of their element on TVG. They come from a world where you have to tread lightly with your opinions because potential owners here that and boom, one wrong statement and you lose a client.

I hear ya...but again...if you decide to come on Tv ...which I agree is out of their element...try not to sound like a drooling idiot...

Amoss comes on there and gets his facts straight.....and does tell it like it is...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

The quote was from 2006......just face the facts..

If you know him well, a word of advice for him....tell him to stay off of TVG...he really comes across as an idiot....that or he should do his homework before going on TV......

Tom Amoss does a great job when they have him on...maybe Ellis should watch some tapes of Amoss and see how its done...

Find me the quote from 2006. You won't be able to find it because it does not exist. In the quote you posted, Ellis did not mention the Strub, the Strub Series or any races in the series.

As I said, I talk to the guy several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never mentioned the Strub. He's much smarter than that.

With regard to TVG, as other posters have mentioned, most of these trainers are very careful with what they say on TVG. If I'm hanging out with Ellis at the races, the commentary that he will give me is far different from what he would say on television. On television, these guys assume that there are a lot of novices watching and they will intentionally "dumb-down" their commenets and commentary. Trust me that Ellis is a very bright guy even if you can't tell on TVG.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Find me the quote from 2006. You won't be able to find it because it does not exist. In the quote you posted, Ellis did not mention the Strub, the Strub Series or any races in the series.

As I said, I talk to the guy several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never mentioned the Strub. He's much smarter than that.

With regard to TVG, as other posters have mentioned, most of these trainers are very careful with what they say on TVG. If I'm hanging out with Ellis at the races, the commentary that he will give me is far different from what he would say on television. On television, these guys assume that there are a lot of novices watching and they will intentionally "dumb-down" their commenets and commentary. Trust me that Ellis is a very bright guy even if you can't tell on TVG.

You're beating a dead horse, Rupert... they've made up their minds and they don't give a shiat what anyone else has to say. Let them be and let their ignorance speak for itself. It never fails to amaze me the hypocrisy that is spewn on the internet. *Sigh*