Steve Haskin;s Top Derby Contendars

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Since it's surely been since the '90's since Nick Zito had any success.

His success has been been fading the past couple of years and it will continue to decline. That was my prediction a couple of months ago and so far $6,000 per start is backing me up.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

His success has been been fading the past couple of years and it will continue to decline. That was my prediction a couple of months ago and so far $6,000 per start is backing me up.

Doug O'Neill's average per start is $7,380. Contessa's is $5,541. Motion's is $7,304. Mclaughlin's is $6,969.

So, with all of the HUGE stakes races that have been run so far to boost average earnings per start.....these 16 days (and his mind-blowingly huge number of 20 starts) of 2007 are the indicator that Zito doesn't know what he is doing and has no clue about this horse?

The logic doesn't work.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Doug O'Neill's average per start is $7,380. Contessa's is $5,541. Motion's is $7,304. Mclaughlin's is $6,969.

So, with all of the HUGE stakes races that have been run so far to boost average earnings per start.....these 16 days (and his mind-blowingly huge number of 20 starts) of 2007 are the indicator that Zito doesn't know what he is doing and has no clue about this horse?

The logic doesn't work.

O'Neill is 2nd, Contessa is 3rd, Motion is 8th and McLaughlin is 16th in trainers stats. All ahead of the 31st person which is Zito.

[blackthroatedwind]

Did I pull a Rip Van Winkle and is it August 16th and not January 16th?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did I pull a Rip Van Winkle and is it August 16th and not January 16th?

took the words out of my mouth (well the thought out of my head anyway)...you guys are wasting an awful lot of energy fighting over an absolutely ridiculous premise...it IS only January 16th...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

took the words out of my mouth (well the thought out of my head anyway)...you guys are wasting an awful lot of energy fighting over an absolutely ridiculous premise...it IS only January 16th...

A troll incites with no real purpose other than to incite.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

took the words out of my mouth (well the thought out of my head anyway)...you guys are wasting an awful lot of energy fighting over an absolutely ridiculous premise...it IS only January 16th...

We will see come year end when Zito is again no better than 20th in trainer stats.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

We will see come year end when Zito is again no better than 20th in trainer stats.

Just because someone doesn't start a zillion horses doesn't mean he's not a top trainer.

Maybe he has chosen to have a smaller stable than in prior years.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can train Anromedas Hero to earnngs of $800,000+ doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame; he probably deserves to have his own wing.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

took the words out of my mouth (well the thought out of my head anyway)...you guys are wasting an awful lot of energy fighting over an absolutely ridiculous premise...it IS only January 16th...

Which I think is the point (that you're now the FIFTH person on just this PAGE to make) that we're trying to get through to Euro, is that the stats being used are useless in trying to make a point.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Which I think is the point (that you're now the FIFTH person on just this PAGE to make) that we're trying to get through to Euro, is that the stats being used are useless in trying to make a point.

Again, the end of the year will prove once again that Zito is on the downside of his career. And IMO it couldnt come fast enough.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

O'Neill is 2nd, Contessa is 3rd, Motion is 8th and McLaughlin is 16th in trainers stats. All ahead of the 31st person which is Zito.

Who cares? I'm pointing out that you're cornerstone statistic in bashing Zito is his 'paltry' $6,000/start earning average. That certainly doesn't stack up very badly with some trainers who are, according to your mathematical computation, well ahead of him in trainer stats.....

.......after 16 days.

[Linny]

Why would a colt who broke his MD with a 66 BSF at Calder then ran 3rd in a slowish allowance race be getting alot of mention from Nick. He's certainly well bred but nothing he's done so far screams "Derby" and maybe Nick knows it.

He's bred for routing (by Awesome Again) and maybe (again a guess, I don't speak to Nick daily or spy on his records) he's a bit slow growing and is in need of time. I don't recall hearing his name on the several occasions when I was in the Zito barn at SAR. Does that mean he wasn't there, no, but no one was talking about him. THAT speaks volumes.

It is unreal that anyone would say that just because THEY are not informed about a given horse's plans that he's "languishing." Trainers owe the public nothing in terms of info. What they do choose to discuss with the press is usually dependent upon what the media asks. Zito is not sending out media releases. If Grening (or others) come knocking he will answer their questions but he's not likely to bring up horses that are not on the writer's list.


BTW, the $200k San Fernando is the richest race run this year. Exactly how many stakes has Zito entered this year?

[Cajungator26]

I feel bad for bringing up King Alliance.