California moves forward on stricter drug penalties

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Scud

Clenbutorol is used to drop water weight in a cutting cycle, its not used to add mass, or strength for bodybuilders. Its strictly for reducing.

You do crash off of clen however, and I think horses crash off it as well.

Come to think of it Clen and DNP would be great for a rider to use to reduce, not a female though. The DNP is too strong, but the clen if used the right way is useful.

So,it doesn't build new muscle? It decreases body fat(making one appear more muscular?) I have seen it called a synthetic growth enhancer.I would expect that to mean it adds muscle,but maybe it just reduces body fat.It is obvious that they want to avoid these effects,and it would probably be the reason they want the long(28 day) withdrawal period.My guess is they will negotiate this down to the 7 days that the Chucksta is talking about(as being reasonable.)BTW is this the drug that Scott Lake over-used so much that he is on the sidelines?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

So,it doesn't build new muscle? It decreases body fat(making one appear more muscular?) I have seen it called a synthetic growth enhancer.I would expect that to mean it adds muscle,but maybe it just reduces body fat.It is obvious that they want to avoid these effects,and it would probably be the reason they want the long(28 day) withdrawal period.My guess is they will negotiate this down to the 7 days that the Chucksta is talking about(as being reasonable.)BTW is this the drug that Scott Lake over-used so much that he is on the sidelines?

Is there an equivalent in horses of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also used in bodybuilding & fitness competitions?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is there an equivalent in horses of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also used in bodybuilding & fitness competitions?

Equine Somatotrophin...they can't test for it though, since it occurs naturally in the body.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Equine Somatotrophin...they can't test for it though, since it occurs naturally in the body.

Thanks

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It's also called equine growth hormone Sightseek.

[The Bid]

IP makes a great version of it.

[Honu]

Mandating a withdrawl time of 28 days for Clenbuteral seems just a little overboard , 7 days could be acceptable, right now as it is Mandella comes off 5 days out from a race so no big deal.
I really havent seen clenbuteral as a muscle builder in horses alltho if a horse is on it for a lung problem I could see how it would make the horse train better and therfore it might build more muscle because its healthier.
I havent seen any horses in our barn crash because they were taken off Clenbuteral but I do know it can and will make some horses tie-up and that if we have one that is on Clenbuteral and it ties up it is taken off of it right away.
I myself have taken Clenbuteral here and there when Ive had mucous in my lungs from a cold or whatever , didnt make me sweat or shake when I took it and I know a few jockeys that have asthma that take it before they ride to help with their air.
To me all theriputic meds have their place and its the cheaters who are going to make it so people cant do right by their horses and thats really a shame.