Did i go too far?

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

What does he like to eat? Awesome about him being a good student, by the way.

He'll eat pizza,french fries,pancakes,french toast,dry everything bagel which is his lunch in school and on occasion an onion omellete.Any kind of sweet that goes his way.Our daughter eats everything you put in front of her and whatever she sees new on your plate.When she was 18 months old and we were in Vermont my wife order a cesar salad and they put achovies on it.My wife took them off and our daughter started to eat them to the point where the waiter was amazed and brought ou more only to watch her finish them.She also started to eat Sushi at the same time and i mean flying fish roe,ikura.yellowtail,tuna,white tuna but her favorite is salmon.She can polish off guacamole like nothing.Loves the soup there as well as the seaweed.I joke with my wife that the problem is that when she was pregnant with our son we went out and ate a lot of junk.With our daughter it was salads and fruit.I guess the old you're a product of your environment starts in the womb.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

He'll eat pizza,french fries,pancakes,french toast,dry everything bagel which is his lunch in school and on occasion an onion omellete.Any kind of sweet that goes his way.Our daughter eats everything you put in front of her and whatever she sees new on your plate.When she was 18 months old and we were in Vermont my wife order a cesar salad and they put achovies on it.My wife took them off and our daughter started to eat them to the point where the waiter was amazed and brought ou more only to watch her finish them.She also started to eat Sushi at the same time and i mean flying fish roe,ikura.yellowtail,tuna,white tuna but her favorite is salmon.She can polish off guacamole like nothing.Loves the soup there as well as the seaweed.I joke with my wife that the problem is that when she was pregnant with our son we went out and ate a lot of junk.With our daughter it was salads and fruit.I guess the old you're a product of your environment starts in the womb.

Hey Mark,
I put some "kid friendly recipes" in the Derby trail Cookbook. Let him pick one out. Make it together. You'll both have fun, and he'll eat it, even if it's burned to a crisp.
Enjoy!
DTS

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

He'll eat pizza,french fries,pancakes,french toast,dry everything bagel which is his lunch in school and on occasion an onion omellete.Any kind of sweet that goes his way.Our daughter eats everything you put in front of her and whatever she sees new on your plate.When she was 18 months old and we were in Vermont my wife order a cesar salad and they put achovies on it.My wife took them off and our daughter started to eat them to the point where the waiter was amazed and brought ou more only to watch her finish them.She also started to eat Sushi at the same time and i mean flying fish roe,ikura.yellowtail,tuna,white tuna but her favorite is salmon.She can polish off guacamole like nothing.Loves the soup there as well as the seaweed.I joke with my wife that the problem is that when she was pregnant with our son we went out and ate a lot of junk.With our daughter it was salads and fruit.I guess the old you're a product of your environment starts in the womb.

So it sounds like he's a real fan of the simple carbohydrate. Problem I can see down the road is that they produce sugar highs, then sugar crashes- they're not great for maintaining a set energy level.

I can empathize- my aunt nicknamed me "Carbohydrate Kid" when I was growing up. My brother was much better about varying his diet. Sweeter fruits and veggies were helpful for balancing my diet- I liked oranges (and tangerines, especially) and carrots. You can get fruit preserves that are only fruit- no added sugar- maybe he can be induced to try a whole wheat bagel with fruit preserves at some point, to replace the white flour everything bagel. I think you can buy whole wheat pancake mix, too.

That's tough, though-- the simple carb addiction is a lifelong kind of thing. And it really messes with your energy later. I should know.

[Danzig]

whole grains much, much better than that bleached processed crap.
but all pre-packaged food is bad.

BUT, your body doesn't know a carb from a sugar--other than fiber of course. carbs is carbs, and they all turn into fat if your body doesn't process all of it.
also, no fat is crap--they replace fat with sugar. so you don't take in fat, your body will however make it with that sugar you're eating.

eat like the caveman, you'll do just fine!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

whole grains much, much better than that bleached processed crap.
but all pre-packaged food is bad.

BUT, your body doesn't know a carb from a sugar--other than fiber of course. carbs is carbs, and they all turn into fat if your body doesn't process all of it.
also, no fat is crap--they replace fat with sugar. so you don't take in fat, your body will however make it with that sugar you're eating.

eat like the caveman, you'll do just fine!

True 'dat, but the simple carbs produce a quick insulin spike and then a quick drop. At least the complex ones, like whole grains, as you mentioned, take longer for the body to process.

I also find I'm very moody when I'm having insulin spikes and drops. BBM, if your son is moody at all, replacing some simple carbs with whole grains might help. Moodiness, that is, beyond the usual, I'm eight years old moodiness.

I agree that a no-fat diet is bad. Plus, there are some vitamins that are fat-soluble, so you need fat for the body to absorb them. One of the downsides (along with the runs) to the Olestra stuff is that it makes it hard for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins, like Vitamin A.

Oh, raising the picky eater-- I don't know how my dad managed not to kill me. I did discover the joys of fruit in high school, and becoming a strict vegetarian in my '20s saved my eating habits, as I learned to love vegetables.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

True 'dat, but the simple carbs produce a quick insulin spike and then a quick drop. At least the complex ones, like whole grains, as you mentioned, take longer for the body to process.

I also find I'm very moody when I'm having insulin spikes and drops. BBM, if your son is moody at all, replacing some simple carbs with whole grains might help. Moodiness, that is, beyond the usual, I'm eight years old moodiness.

I agree that a no-fat diet is bad. Plus, there are some vitamins that are fat-soluble, so you need fat for the body to absorb them. One of the downsides (along with the runs) to the Olestra stuff is that it makes it hard for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins, like Vitamin A.

Oh, raising the picky eater-- I don't know how my dad managed not to kill me. I did discover the joys of fruit in high school, and becoming a strict vegetarian in my '20s saved my eating habits, as I learned to love vegetables.

i tend more towards berries--more fiber in them than a lot of fruits. love veggies, a true veggie eater here. not many i don't care for-brussel sprouts spring to mind, and i don't care for beets or most beans(limas, pintos, etc). but i like my meats as well, usual dinner for me is a meat, couple of veggies and a salad. salad for lunch suits me fine as well. fats aren't the evil--you need at least 20grams of fat a day-it also is what makes you feel full, so if you avoid fats you're going to feel starved all the time--feel hungry, there goes your good intentions in your diet.

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So it sounds like he's a real fan of the simple carbohydrate. Problem I can see down the road is that they produce sugar highs, then sugar crashes- they're not great for maintaining a set energy level.

I can empathize- my aunt nicknamed me "Carbohydrate Kid" when I was growing up. My brother was much better about varying his diet. Sweeter fruits and veggies were helpful for balancing my diet- I liked oranges (and tangerines, especially) and carrots. You can get fruit preserves that are only fruit- no added sugar- maybe he can be induced to try a whole wheat bagel with fruit preserves at some point, to replace the white flour everything bagel. I think you can buy whole wheat pancake mix, too.

That's tough, though-- the simple carb addiction is a lifelong kind of thing. And it really messes with your energy later. I should know.

I tried to give him Life cereal this morning and he didn't want it.Who doesen't like life cereal.Remember this was a kid who at age 2.5 to 4 ate herring with onions in wine sauce.

[Danzig]

i love life cereal! and cinnamon life. hell, gimme any kind of cereal, it's all good!
well...it was. i don't eat it anymore.

[Byebyemermaid]

One other thing i put this out as the question "did i go to far?" I put myself out there as fair game for everyone.All that the post that this individual did is to me is make me think.You know there's nothing wrong with that.

This is really out of all of our territories. There are so many possibilities. I will tell you my experiences with kids depends on what level of understanding they are on.

I never ever try to use the phrase, "just think how they feel now that you have done that" when my nephews or neices would physically hit one another or even bite. At the time these incidents occurred, they did not have the capability to emphathize, so to think how someone else would feel made absolutely no sense to them.
I basically said it is wrong to hit or bite your sister/brother, go to your room and sit quietly for 1 hour. If they did not go, I would escort them and close the door. No yelling from me, even if they were screaming. I would close the door. Occasionally they would bang on the door and scream and I would just hold the door closed saying absolutely nothing until they wore down. Sometimes they would just go to sleep or sit quietly. When I came back in, I reminded them there will be no biting or hitting or else they would have another hour alone. If they then stated NO, or started screaming again, I would just close the door and they had another hour. It would work especially well if they heard the others having fun. I never ever got mad or raised my voice. I just made it seem like it was common operating procedure. After a few times of Uncle Patrick, we all got along quite well because it was very clear I would not get mad, or give in. The rules were clear and enforced immediately, so they knew exactly what behavior caused their predicament, and they did not even test me after a few times over and we had very good times after that. Which was, I hate to say, very different from what they would get away with if my sister or sister-in-law had them. Chaos and frayed nerves. My wife would decline the chore with cousins because she never even disciplined our daughter.

My daughter was/is always so mild mannered... it worried me for a while. And she never even threw a tantrum. She just did as I said. Looking at her the wrong way would get the point across. Kids are so different, and at such vastly varied points in understanding, you really have to be observant as to what they do and do not understand. And I have found if punishment is just matter of fact, with no yelling by adults, its almost like the rules just stand on their own.
So I would say punishment should be
1.immediate
2. non-negotiable
3. and enforced without any verbal argument from the adult, the explaining is already done and is clear.
A few kids in the neighborhood I refused to look after. None of the above worked. Especially as the kids got older... it became easier to tell who would and would not follow the simple rules.

As for my experience as a child, my dad brought out the skinny black leather belt and had a wonderfully discerning ear for fake crying. And he beat the crud out of me when I took advantage of my mom when I was young. At about 10 years of age, I was pacified, and really started to understand that I was upsetting my mom.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

And he beat the crud out of me when I took advantage of my mom when I was young. At about 10 years of age, I was pacified, and really started to understand that I was upsetting my mom.

Exactly, as long as I don't piss my mom off, I am ALL GOOD......

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

One other thing i put this out as the question "did i go to far?" I put myself out there as fair game for everyone.All that the post that this individual did is to me is make me think.You know there's nothing wrong with that.

Mark, my friend...Listen, parents KNOW best, and you know what your OWN child needs and doesn't need. I am only 27, but I am the oldest of 4 siblings, so I have seen my parents actually raise three daughters. Each one of them was raised differently, but on the same values. Fact is that while we weren't afraid of our parents, we knew not to disappoint or really piss them off. Your kid will be fine, trust me. My dad and I TO THIS DAY still go at it and I still look up to him (as much as I want to knock him out). I KNEW when I pushed it too far as a kid and I knew when I was going to get spanked (which is why I put a book in my ass and my mom went to crack me while running and SNAPPED THE SPOON, thus turning into a learning experiece). Fact is that all kids stray down the wrong road sometimes, it is part of life and learning, they will come back on the right path. trust me I have had so many forks in my road, I could supply a fast food joint for 10 years

You'll be fine.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

One other thing i put this out as the question "did i go to far?" I put myself out there as fair game for everyone.All that the post that this individual did is to me is make me think.You know there's nothing wrong with that.

Mark,
I just put another recipe in the cookbook for you to try with your son.
Check it out.
Between you and me, if food is an issue, teaching him how to cook might be a good thing.
DTS

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

when hes hungry he will eat..dont sweat it..kids go through eating cycles durring growth...ive got two boys...10 and 16...fyi..and dont under any circumstances make anything special for one and not the othe or you will be fubar...whats for dinner /b fast is whats here eat or go hungry...