Next Big Stallion? What is your opinion?

This is interesting, but it kind of makes me sick. I watch racing to see athletes run.

A sample of my nausea, a direct quote from Bloodhorse, Throroughbred Champions of the 20th century:

Easy Goer died at the age of eight after having sired JUST 136 foals in four years. The son of Alydar didn't have enough time to PROVE HIS WORTH...

Alrighty then. WTF is this supposed to mean?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is interesting, but it kind of makes me sick. I watch racing to see athletes run.

A sample of my nausea, a direct quote from Bloodhorse, Throroughbred Champions of the 20th century:

Easy Goer died at the age of eight after having sired JUST 136 foals in four years. The son of Alydar didn't have enough time to PROVE HIS WORTH...

Alrighty then. WTF is this supposed to mean?

In the first few years a stallion is at stud, breeders often have no idea about which type of mares will go best with him. Early in his stud career, Damascus was expected to sire stamina, so he was given speedy mares but it turned out that Big D sired his dam's speed and needed staying mares to sire anything more than sprinters. With his early death, Easy Goer didn't get a chance to get the adjustment to his matings that would have given him the best shot as a stallion.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Dance With Ravens might be the heir apparent to AP Indy. It will take several years to tell, but he is by A.P. Indy and out of a champion mare from a family that has already produced the top stallion Smart Strike. His first two dams are Champions and he was a Graded stakes winner on both turf and dirt in an injury shortened career. He is just 4 and has already serviced a full book. If he has success early his books will get much better and he'll still be very young.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I'll say it once...ORIENTATE. His foals can RUN! I have seen so many that I like. I know that he was mostly a sprinter on dirt, but he also won stakes on the turf at a mile. I really like this horse. He was also sound upon retiring and he is a very classy looking animal.

I think Afleet Alex will become a very, very good sire also.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'll say it once...ORIENTATE. His foals can RUN! I have seen so many that I like. I know that he was mostly a sprinter on dirt, but he also won stakes on the turf at a mile. I really like this horse. He was also sound upon retiring and he is a very classy looking animal.

I think Afleet Alex will become a very, very good sire also.

I agree with Jessica about Orientate. From what I have seen at the 2 year old sales this year, Orientate's offspring look great. I think he will be the hot new sire.

Why dont we just carry out little breeding experiments, see how nice they look as two year olds, and never let them on the track. The industry could make it like a dog show. We could parade them around and wager on who the judges think look the nicest. Just make racing totally into breeding and conformation. That sounds fun.

Let em run for Christ sakes.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Why dont we just carry out little breeding experiments, see how nice they look as two year olds, and never let them on the track. The industry could make it like a dog show. We could parade them around and wager on who the judges think look the nicest. Just make racing totally into breeding and conformation. That sounds fun.

Let em run for Christ sakes.

How they look conformation wise has a HUGE affect on how they run. I won't buy any horse that doesn't have a sloping shoulder, large nostrils and straight legs.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Why dont we just carry out little breeding experiments, see how nice they look as two year olds, and never let them on the track. The industry could make it like a dog show. We could parade them around and wager on who the judges think look the nicest. Just make racing totally into breeding and conformation. That sounds fun.

Let em run for Christ sakes.

You get to watch the horses work an 1/8th or even a 1/4 of a mile at the 2 year old sales. If you know what you are looking at, you will have a very good idea as to which sires are throwing runners. You don't need to wait until they run in a race to know which ones can run.
With yearlings, you can't tell nearly as much. However, even with yearlings you can make a good educated guess as to which ones can run. Last year we bought 15 yearlings for our pinhooking business. Every single one of them could run. Every single horse worked an 1/8th of a mile in :10 and change. Actually, there was one horse that worked :11 flat. That's pretty darn good. Basically every horse could run a little and some of them could run a lot.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with Jessica about Orientate. From what I have seen at the 2 year old sales this year, Orientate's offspring look great. I think he will be the hot new sire.

I agree with Jessica as well, when the first photo's of Orientate's weanlings hit the mags I was struck by how iniform they all looked, extremely strong in the hindquarters and the set of their necks is great, they look so athletic, I see them being runners.

I also think Empire Maker will be an exciting stallion as he was very precocious for an Unbridles and I don't think we nearly saw the best of him, he would have been great on turf as well, and the pedigree is to die for.

The two I'm hoping make it big time, due to their class and heart on the track are Congaree and Medaglia d' Oro, we can sure use some warriors like those guys, I adored them both.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree with Jessica as well, when the first photo's of Orientate's weanlings hit the mags I was struck by how iniform they all looked, extremely strong in the hindquarters and the set of their necks is great, they look so athletic, I see them being runners.

I also think Empire Maker will be an exciting stallion as he was very precocious for an Unbridles and I don't think we nearly saw the best of him, he would have been great on turf as well, and the pedigree is to die for.

The two I'm hoping make it big time, due to their class and heart on the track are Congaree and Medaglia d' Oro, we can sure use some warriors like those guys, I adored them both.

Go check out some of Orientate's two year olds in training at barretts.com and the Keeneland sales. Watch the babies fly! They are incredibly precocious and beautiful moving animals too.

[Antitrust32]

I think that Point Given will be the next super stud. If Barbaro stays on the right track and can breed, he has the look of a great stallion. Also Bernardini from this crop and First Samuria could have a lot of potential. Kitten's Joy should be a good turf sire.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

In the first few years a stallion is at stud, breeders often have no idea about which type of mares will go best with him. Early in his stud career, Damascus was expected to sire stamina, so he was given speedy mares but it turned out that Big D sired his dam's speed and needed staying mares to sire anything more than sprinters. With his early death, Easy Goer didn't get a chance to get the adjustment to his matings that would have given him the best shot as a stallion.

You prove your racing worth on the track.
The money worth... is worthless.
Stating Easy Goer did not have a chance to prove his worth is a little statement Bloodhorse should suck back up like a hanging snot rocket.

Let em run.

[sumitas]

i'd like to see Pink Duck get a shot.

What about Barbaro? He won on turf and dirt and at different distances. Afleet Alex also comes to mind. I also think Golden Missle could be a good stallion. And you also have Awesome Again. I think there are several good ones.

Originally Posted by sumitas

i'd like to see Pink Duck get a shot.

He's a gelding........

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He's a gelding........

are we sure ? he was listed as a horse just last year...that would be a bummer if he was gelded with his rare Spy Song top line.

until 7/4/04 his pp shows he's a horse/colt. he's 8 now. why would they geld him so late in his career when he's a stallion prospect ?

Originally Posted by sumitas

are we sure ? he was listed as a horse just last year...that would be a bummer if he was gelded with his rare Spy Song top line.

until 7/4/04 his pp shows he's a horse/colt. he's 8 now. why would they geld him so late in his career when he's a stallion prospect ?

He is listed as a horse, but knowing Bunkie I wouldn't be surprised if he just never reported it....I have a few La-breds that were gelded in past years that were listed as full horses for a long time....Pink Duck is a cool horse but he has the pedigree of a donkey...I know you're being sarcastic about breeding to him because he is just a hard-knocking, blue-collar La-bred...as a matter of fact, if you want to stand him then I'm sure you can claim him the next time he runs for $10K claimers...

Originally Posted by pgardn

You prove your racing worth on the track.
The money worth... is worthless.
Stating Easy Goer did not have a chance to prove his worth is a little statement Bloodhorse should suck back up like a hanging snot rocket.

Let em run.

Skip Away won alot of races and alot of money ON THE TRACK. As a stud, Skip Away is a BIG DUD.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is interesting, but it kind of makes me sick. I watch racing to see athletes run.

A sample of my nausea, a direct quote from Bloodhorse, Throroughbred Champions of the 20th century:

Easy Goer died at the age of eight after having sired JUST 136 foals in four years. The son of Alydar didn't have enough time to PROVE HIS WORTH...

Alrighty then. WTF is this supposed to mean?

Pgardn, if you like Easy Goer (as I did), you may like this guy...

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=1422500

[sumitas]

i believe Desert Warrior in NY has the pedigree to have a chance to make some waves.