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[JolyB]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

So if I want to pick both parts of an entry in some order, I would just put "1" twice, leaving the "A" out?

When you are playing our points contest, you only need to enter the "1" one time. This is true whether you like the "1" part of the entry or the "1A" part. It is also true if you like BOTH haves of the entry. Only put in "1" once.

When scoring for an entry, Plenilune will treat them as a single unit, just as is done for betting purposes.

It might be helpful for you to look at the way our players post their picks. You will notice that even when there is an entry, the #1 is only entered once. By the way, it is possible for more than one coupled entry in a race. In that case, you might see a #2 and 2B. You could also see an entry of three horses, in which case they will be 1, 1A and 1X. No matter, the same principles apply - just think of the entry as a single unit.

When there are a number of MTO's, I go back and look at scratches and especially if the race has been taken off of the turf. Unfortunately, that might cause you to have to completely rethink the race at the last minute. Hopefully we won't have rain at Belmont tomorrow.

[cal828]

When you were trying to determine the finish line for different races, you commented that you might have to pay for past performances from Brisnet or Daily Racing Form. I put a post on how to find some free past performances, but was unsure whether you ever saw that or not and had trouble finding my own post, but finally found it. In case you didn't see it, here it is again:

Free past performances are available at several sites. Type in free past performances and then choose free past performances for horse racing and several sites will come up then choose horse racing.net and I think it says some thing about past performances for trainers. Then you will see a whole list of PPs for trainers and also breeders and there is a separate one for horses. Not an exhaustive listing, but pretty close. You may not find a horse under the Sire listing, but it may be under the Breeder. For example, I'm not sure that Animal Kingdom is listed under the Sire list, but he is under the Breeder which is Darley. It will likely take you a while to know which horses are under which breeders. I still don't know them all. Also, you might not find a listing anywhere for some state bred races for sires that are not much known outside that particular state.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by cal828

When you were trying to determine the finish line for different races, you commented that you might have to pay for past performances from Brisnet or Daily Racing Form. I put a post on how to find some free past performances, but was unsure whether you ever saw that or not and had trouble finding my own post, but finally found it. In case you didn't see it, here it is again:

Free past performances are available at several sites. Type in free past performances and then choose free past performances for horse racing and several sites will come up then choose horse racing.net and I think it says some thing about past performances for trainers. Then you will see a whole list of PPs for trainers and also breeders and there is a separate one for horses. Not an exhaustive listing, but pretty close. You may not find a horse under the Sire listing, but it may be under the Breeder. For example, I'm not sure that Animal Kingdom is listed under the Sire list, but he is under the Breeder which is Darley. It will likely take you a while to know which horses are under which breeders. I still don't know them all. Also, you might not find a listing anywhere for some state bred races for sires that are not much known outside that particular state.

Thank you, Cal. I didn't see your previous response (for some reason I don't usually get emails when new replies are posted, only sometimes) but will try this method of getting free pps.

[cal828]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Thank you, Cal. I didn't see your previous response (for some reason I don't usually get emails when new replies are posted, only sometimes) but will try this method of getting free pps.

If the pps are not there and sometimes this happens, I think Don Guido said that he buys them for a buck at brisnet.com.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by JolyB

When you are playing our points contest, you only need to enter the "1" one time. This is true whether you like the "1" part of the entry or the "1A" part. It is also true if you like BOTH haves of the entry. Only put in "1" once.

Thanks again, but what about in the points contest if I like both parts of an entry, but think one will finish 1st and the other 3rd? Or 1st and 2nd, or 2nd and 3rd. Where would I put the 1?

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Thanks again, but what about in the points contest if I like both parts of an entry, but think one will finish 1st and the other 3rd? Or 1st and 2nd, or 2nd and 3rd. Where would I put the 1?

Youd have to decide which horse has the best chance of coming in 1st 2nd or 3rd. Think of the 1 and 1A as one horse. If you like the 1A better just put a 1 in the position you like. Many times but not always one of the coupled horse entries will get scratched but you still have the other in the position you selected.

Again thing of the 1 and 1A or 2 and 2A as one horse. Hope this helps.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Youd have to decide which horse has the best chance of coming in 1st 2nd or 3rd. Think of the 1 and 1A as one horse. If you like the 1A better just put a 1 in the position you like. Many times but not always one of the coupled horse entries will get scratched but you still have the other in the position you selected.

Again thing of the 1 and 1A or 2 and 2A as one horse. Hope this helps.

Ahhhh, they're not one horse though, and most likely will not finish in the same position. So would it be impossible to hit an exacta or trifecta if both parts of an entry finish in the top 3?

[cal828]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Ahhhh, they're not one horse though, and most likely will not finish in the same position. So would it be impossible to hit an exacta or trifecta if both parts of an entry finish in the top 3?

You guys have got me confused about this now. Haven't seen it happen in a while, but I think what happens if both horses of an entry finish first and second then the horse that finishes first is the winner, but they skip the part of the entry that finished second and move down to the third place finisher for the exacta and even the fourth place for the tri, but surprisingly, I haven't seen this happen in awhile and what I am saying may be wrong. I would bet that RQ knows this and maybe he will chime in.

[JolyB]

Originally Posted by cal828

You guys have got me confused about this now. Haven't seen it happen in a while, but I think what happens if both horses of an entry finish first and second then the horse that finishes first is the winner, but they skip the part of the entry that finished second and move down to the third place finisher for the exacta and even the fourth place for the tri, but surprisingly, I haven't seen this happen in awhile and what I am saying may be wrong. I would bet that RQ knows this and maybe he will chime in.

Cal, your description is 100% correct. It seems to happen frequently at NYRA tracks for some reason, especially during the Aqueduct winter meet. What also happens is that horse that ends up on the bottom of the exacta does not get a place payoff, since the entry took all of the place payoff.

A wagering situation that I have found can be profitable is a situation where the entry has been made the betting favorite in the win pool and where both halves of the entry appear to be contenders. I've often played the entry to place and have been happy to see the entry finish in the first and second positions. When that happens, the entry gets the only payout from the place pool and that can result in a place payout that might be a little bit higher than the win payoff, with much less risk involved.