Worst DQ of All Time?

[blackthroatedwind]

This was a silly DQ and, at best, it's questionable that there was any real contact. The runner up certainly didn't react to anything. I know it's a different track, but a horse was left up in NY a couple of weeks ago that did MUCH more, and the margin at the finish was virtually identical.

Using a chart call to back up an opinion is a slippery slope. Whether or not someone likes the work of any chart caller, trust your eyes, not someone else's.

I get Dahoss's frustration. Most whines about disqualifications are just that...but this seemed like an unnecessary decision. Surely much worse contact happens in many races that gets completely ignored. Why are stretch brushes so much worse than ones in other parts of any race? A turnover in the first quarter of a basketball is possibly as costly as one late in a game.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This was a silly DQ and, at best, it's questionable that there was any real contact. The runner up certainly didn't react to anything. I know it's a different track, but a horse was left up in NY a couple of weeks ago that did MUCH more, and the margin at the finish was virtually identical.

Using a chart call to back up an opinion is a slippery slope. Whether or not someone likes the work of any chart caller, trust your eyes, not someone else's.

I get Dahoss's frustration. Most whines about disqualifications are just that...but this seemed like an unnecessary decision. Surely much worse contact happens in many races that gets completely ignored. Why are stretch brushes so much worse than ones in other parts of any race? A turnover in the first quarter of a basketball is possibly as costly as one late in a game.

Because, depending on the severity of the contact, there is the whole race to recover? Or, the other three quarters of the game to make amends for the one mistake? It's not like the incident occurred at the top of the stretch and the 5 had a chance to re-rally but just hung, losing by a couple of lengths. It happened close to the wire and the 5 had all the momentum.

Here are a couple of example excerpts from the HKJC:

It was further found that after the 400 Metres TIGRE DU TERRE became unbalanced after being bumped by INSAYSHABLE which shifted to the outside of STIMULATION to obtain clear running. Having regard to the fact that this incident occurred just after the 400 Metres and that both horses then had the opportunity to finish off the race without further incident, the Stewards could not be satisfied to the requisite degree that if not for the contact between the two horses passing the 400 Metres TIGRE DU TERRE would have finished in front of INSAYSHABLE. Accordingly, the protest/objection was overruled and weighed-in declared on the numbers semaphored by the Judge.

When MCMUNIGAL shifted in across the rightful running of JIMMU, the rider of that horse had to momentarily desist from using the whip and ease his mount away from the heels of MCMUNIGAL and shift to the outside of that horse to continue improving. JIMMU then continued to finish off the race strongly over the concluding stages. Having regard to the nose margin between the horses at the end of the race and the manner in which both horses were finishing off the race, the Stewards were satisfied that had JIMMU not been hampered by MCMUNIGAL as that horse shifted in at the 125 Metres, JIMMU would have finished in front of MCMUNIGAL and accordingly the protest/objection was sustained and the placings amended

You may not agree with the call (as I certainly didn't when I had Tigre du Terre at 140-1 in one of the sickest nose bobs ever), but this is far from the worst DQ ever. Probably not even the worst this year in Florida.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Because, depending on the severity of the contact, there is the whole race to recover? Or, the other three quarters of the game to make amends for the one mistake? It's not like the incident occurred at the top of the stretch and the 5 had a chance to re-rally but just hung, losing by a couple of lengths. It happened close to the wire and the 5 had all the momentum.

Here are a couple of example excerpts from the HKJC:





You may not agree with the call (as I certainly didn't when I had Tigre du Terre at 140-1 in one of the sickest nose bobs ever), but this is far from the worst DQ ever. Probably not even the worst this year in Florida.

What does a decision at Hong Kong have to do with anything?

Also...weren’t you someone who thought Maximum Security should have stayed up in the Derby? How should he have stayed up but this was an obvious DQ?

[Dahoss]

I guess my point in all of this is this is a great example of punishing the bettors, where the right thing to do is punish the bonehead rider of the 4 and let the result stand.

Not to mention consistency. We have all seen much worse stay up. Let’s be honest, the game has serious issues with integrity. If a guy like me who is can be rough around the edges but a loyal customer for 25 years is doubting things at this point, what chance do we have with new fans

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does a decision at Hong Kong have to do with anything?

Also...weren’t you someone who thought Maximum Security should have stayed up in the Derby? How should he have stayed up but this was an obvious DQ?

Not to mention, the notion that a horse has more time to recover from an early foul somehow makes one less egregious is indefensibly moronic. If the horse “recovers” but still falls a few inches short it somehow didn’t affect him but a late one did? That’s such horrifically bad logic it’s hard to believe anyone would endorse it.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to mention, the notion that a horse has more time to recover from an early foul somehow makes one less egregious is indefensibly moronic. If the horse “recovers” but still falls a few inches short it somehow didn’t affect him but a late one did? That’s such horrifically bad logic it’s hard to believe anyone would endorse it.

The Hong Kong example was disingenuous if a DQ is dependent on the "severity of the contact". The stewards prefaced their decision (conveniently excised) with this:

The Stewards were of the view that this contact was of little consequence.

From the replay, arguably the horse who initiated the contact (INSAYSHABLE) took the worst of it:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1071671801896288257

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Hong Kong example was disingenuous if a DQ is dependent on the "severity of the contact". The stewards prefaced their decision (conveniently excised) with this:

The Stewards were of the view that this contact was of little consequence.

From the replay, arguably the horse who initiated the contact (INSAYSHABLE) took the worst of it:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1071671801896288257

There is something about people that post about Hong Kong on message boards:-)

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is something about people that post about Hong Kong on message boards:-)

Yep, people who appreciate competitive, exciting racing presented by a genuine, non-condescending broadcast crew :-)