USC kills Notre Dame

[Cannon Shell]

I just thought this was timely considering how inferior Pac 10 team beat the hell out of the mighty Big ten team

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I just thought this was timely considering how inferior Pac 10 team beat the hell out of the mighty Big ten team

the rose bowl's claim to relevance will be a fading moment a week from now.

michigan looks so bad now that everyone wants to rip 'em to pieces -- wait until ohio st. dismantles florida.

then we'll go right back to square one, which is michigan having been the only team to even hold a candle to the national champs all year long in a game.

that would make them still without a doubt the 2nd best team in America.

Or do you have to lose to UCLA to earn that distinction?

[sham]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

the rose bowl's claim to relevance will be a fading moment a week from now.

michigan looks so bad now that everyone wants to rip 'em to pieces -- wait until ohio st. dismantles florida.

then we'll go right back to square one, which is michigan having been the only team to even hold a candle to the national champs all year long in a game.

that would make them still without a doubt the 2nd best team in America.

Or do you have to lose to UCLA to earn that distinction?

Let me see if I follow your logic:
- OSU defeats Mich
- UCLA defeats SCal
- SCal defeats Mich
- OSU defeats Fla
THEREFORE
Mich is better than SCal...is that it?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by sham

Let me see if I follow your logic:
- OSU defeats Mich
- UCLA defeats SCal
- SCal defeats Mich
- OSU defeats Fla

it's not just "defeating" that I'm interested in. i'm interested in Michigan nearly pulling off the upset of OSU, and of course my entire post was predicated on the notion that OSU is going to demolish Florida....not just barely beat them.

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different

Originally Posted by sham

Mich is better than SCal...is that it?

You got it, that's the shorthand version of what I'm saying.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

it's not just "defeating" that I'm interested in. i'm interested in Michigan nearly pulling off the upset of OSU, and of course my entire post was predicated on the notion that OSU is going to demolish Florida....not just barely beat them.

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different



You got it, that's the shorthand version of what I'm saying.

USC beat Michigan like a redheaded stepchild. If it were even close at the end, I could see your point but with 7 minutes to go it was 32-11. Henne was sacked six times in the first half alone.

Why are there always these endless excuses for the big blue? "if that game were in ann arbor instead of columbus, michigan would be playing for the title". "if that game were in ann arbor, MI yesterday, the game is completely different".

Same old song and dance every year for their blind fans.

Listen, Ive been watching Michigan choke for the last 25 years. Lloyd Carr got completely outcoached and their defensive backfield got completely schooled. The difference in overall team speed was ridiculous.

They could play that game ANYWHERE and Michigan still loses as they do almost EVERY TIME they play USC. Is that 6 out of the last 7 now?

This game wasnt close and the game against OSU wasnt nearly as close as the score made it appear.

Michigan had a good year. They will be tough next year. But to say that they are better than SC? That is a complete joke.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

it's not just "defeating" that I'm interested in. i'm interested in Michigan nearly pulling off the upset of OSU, and of course my entire post was predicated on the notion that OSU is going to demolish Florida....not just barely beat them.

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different



You got it, that's the shorthand version of what I'm saying.

USC beat Michigan like a redheaded stepchild. If it were even close at the end, I could see your point but with 7 minutes to go it was 32-11. Henne was sacked six times in the first half alone.

Why are there always these endless excuses for the big blue? "if that game were in ann arbor instead of columbus, michigan would be playing for the title". "if that game were in ann arbor, MI yesterday, the game is completely different".

Same old song and dance every year for their blind fans.

Listen, Ive been watching Michigan choke for the last 25 years. Lloyd Carr got completely outcoached and their defensive backfield got completely schooled. The difference in overall team speed was ridiculous.

They could play that game ANYWHERE and Michigan still loses as they do almost EVERY TIME they play USC. Is that 6 out of the last 7 now?

This game wasnt close and the game against OSU wasnt nearly as close as the score made it appear.

Michigan had a good year. They will be tough next year. But to say that they are better than SC? That is a complete joke.

[Gander]

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different

Spoken like a true Big Ten fan. Its exactly why I root for teams like Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State to lose. Big Ten fans cant admit their team was inferior in every way. They use the excuse of where the game was played, as if that accounted for the huge difference in yards gained and points gained.
Stick to your music, you would never be a good sports analysist. Too much of a bias. Instead of giving the other team credit, you bring up the fact that they lost to UCLA 4 weeks ago. What does that have anything to do with them pounding on Michigan?

By the way, everybody acts like this was an upset. Check out the spread that was anywhere between 1 and 2.5 points (michigan favored) depending on where you bet. Thats not that much respect for a team who only lost by 3points to Ohio State against a lowly team like USC, who got beat by a very medicore (at best) UCLA. Seems to me like the spread should have been Michigan by 10, but it was hardly that.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Gander

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different

Spoken like a true Big Ten fan. Its exactly why I root for teams like Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State to lose. Big Ten fans cant admit their team was inferior in every way. They use the excuse of where the game was played, as if that accounted for the huge difference in yards gained and points gained.
Stick to your music, you would never be a good sports analysist. Too much of a bias. Instead of giving the other team credit, you bring up the fact that they lost to UCLA 4 weeks ago. What does that have anything to do with them pounding on Michigan?

By the way, everybody acts like this was an upset. Check out the spread that was anywhere between 1 and 2.5 points (michigan favored) depending on where you bet. Thats not that much respect for a team who only lost by 3points to Ohio State against a lowly team like USC, who got beat by a very medicore (at best) UCLA. Seems to me like the spread should have been Michigan by 10, but it was hardly that.

well them losing to UCLA has everything to do with it, when we're talking about their "pounding" of Michigan indicating that they're a better football team. if we're going to use head to head matchups to determine that one team better than another -- then we're right back at having the tough debate as to whether oregon st. is better than USC, aren't we? i've never claimed that USC was "lowly," I just don't think they're a better football team than Michigan. You won't find anyone on any board who has been around me for any of the last five years who recalls me ever being a Big Ten apologist, or an any team apologist for that matter....because I have never been one. This is the first time in my entire life that I've claimed anything like this regarding college football (oh wait, i don't want to be a liar. i did the same thing for florida st. when they had charlie ward and notre dame beat them but i still thought florida state was the better team when i was maybe about 10 years old. wouldn't want to get caught in that fishy situation of you unearthing a witness to that!) -- because I'm not one to go blindly to bat for a team just because of their conference or where I live. It's a battle I've chosen specifically because they're not a better team than Michigan.

You can point to any number of results like that -- teams win games when they are not the better team all the time. From your point of view, I'd imagine you're apalled and calling for an NFL playoff overhaul because they Cleveland Browns didn't get in. Heck, they beat both Kansas City and the New York Jets and both of those teams get to be in the playoffs.

Makes sense right? Of course it doesn't -- just because the Browns beat both of those teams doesn't mean they are a better football team.

Those are the kinds of claims you end up making when you just say "well USC pounded Michigan, so they're a better team." Of course they just pounded Michigan, so what? **** happens. It doesn't make them a better football team just because they won.