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Old 01-02-2007, 11:54 AM
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Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

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Old 01-02-2007, 11:58 AM
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Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

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Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:40 PM
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Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?
*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...
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*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

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Which was?
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:42 PM
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Which was?
Didn't he come back with a breathing problem or am I losing it? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere...
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:45 PM
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He might have had a problem breathing all that dirt that was kicked in his face...J/k
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:46 PM
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He might have had a problem breathing all that dirt that was kicked in his face...J/k
LOL... you're right.

He DID run uncharacteristically poor for him. Although he doesn't actually WIN very often, he is normally running at the end. I was shocked by his 8th place finish.
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:46 PM
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Didn't he come back with a breathing problem or am I losing it? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere...
They come up with an excuse everytime he runs (or blame other trainers). I think it's about time they consider him no longer Grade 1 material and start from there.
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:44 PM
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:19 PM
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Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

Yes, he's WAY too slow.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:23 PM
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Yes, he's WAY too slow.
I disagree, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:34 PM
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I disagree, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one.
how can you think that..he has no chance at winning ever in the class that he chooses to run in...he gets a check..but no wins.. gator are dateing murray johnson?
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:48 PM
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how can you think that..he has no chance at winning ever in the class that he chooses to run in...he gets a check..but no wins.. gator are dateing murray johnson?
No, but we both have big noses.

Here is my disagreement... you guys think that Perfect Drift is SLOW. I DON'T see him as a slow horse. I see him as a fast horse who doesn't give more than he has to. (Ok, so he's a hanger.) Because of that, he appears slow...

Can you honestly say that you think he was 100% in the BCC? I mean, come on... it was like he wasn't even running! He ran terrible and I don't think that was because he's "too slow."
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Old 01-02-2007, 07:13 PM
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*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...
I'm a big Lava Man fan, but you're right about him racing at home. Steve told us that when he saw Lava Man at Churchhill for the BC that he was having a problem with his new home and appeared to be a "STALL RACER". Let him be King of California till someone beats him.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:53 PM
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Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?
Agree in general. So, I'll try to make a point of checking back in on this one either way. I hope you will, too.

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Old 01-02-2007, 12:04 PM
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I think he could do alright. Dubai throws up alot of strange results. would he go for the sheema over 12f or the duty free over 9f though?? Both of them had huge cash injections last year, both worth the same amount. If he won either, he'd win the second richest race of the year..
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:19 PM
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If the goal for 2007 is to be embarrassed at the international level... then this is a great move...
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:40 PM
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Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:55 PM
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I think there is a difference in bashing Lava Man and being realistic. I think most have the opinion that shipping Lava Man to Dubai is not best for the horse. I think he could stay in Cali and dominate on that scene and pocket another 1-2 million
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:12 PM
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Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.
That could turn out to be Lava Man's biggest undoing.
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