2020 Kentucky Derby contender watch

[moses]

Originally Posted by moses

I was hoping to add a few more names to the list after the last few weeks...but I'm not sure anyone has stood out.

A few names I didn't previously include:

Dennis' Moment - Winner of the Iroquois Stakes. Only 2YO with a 90+ Beyer for a race over 1 mile. Absolutely destroyed the field when breaking his maiden. That field included Sounion who just broke his maiden with a solid 75 Beyer. Can forgive his performance at the Breeders Cup.

Scabbard - I thought his trip in the Iroquois was compromised but he still finished well. It's possible he didn't like the track at Breeders Cup. He's worth keeping an eye on.

Forza di Oro - Sired by Speightstown, you probably won't see this horse listed on many people's contender list...but his maiden win was really impressive as he altered out behind a wall of horses and then kicked it into gear. I think he wins the Remsen if he enters.

Perhaps it was premature for me to add Forza di Oro. He took a lot of kickback in the Remsen, which has not boded well for horses at Aqueduct lately, but he just didn’t have anything to offer for the better horses in that race.

I thought the top 3 finishers in the Springboard Mile ran fairly well - Shoplifted, Answer In, and Embolden. Worth keeping an eye on them.

I’m a little hesitant about Khozan colts...but Untitled looked very good in his debut this weekend at Gulfstream. And of course Anneau d’Or and Thousand Words looked good in the Los Al a couple weeks ago.

It feels like everyone...or maybe it’s just me...is waiting for January 1 to see Independence Hall run in the Jerome.

[wild barry]

I am very interested in offspring of Khozan. Don not follow south Fla. until the winter. Never heard of the first crop sire Khozan until a couple of weeks ago. Big fan of Distorted Humor bloodline both sire and broodmare sire. I do not remember who trained Khozan. I would think probably Pletcher or Mclaughlin trained the horse. Krozan only made 2 starts and won both @7F and ! mile. Won by open lengths both starts. I am sure I wagered on him if he was any kind of price. The dam of Krozan Delta princess dropped Royal Delta(3 time champ) and Delta Prince (grade 1W). Horse stood for 4K now 8500. I would think his offspring would relish 2 turns. He probably was booked to less than stellar mares to breed to. If I could get a future book bet on sire winning the derby I would donate a few bucks.

[moses]

Originally Posted by wild barry

I am very interested in offspring of Khozan. Don not follow south Fla. until the winter. Never heard of the first crop sire Khozan until a couple of weeks ago. Big fan of Distorted Humor bloodline both sire and broodmare sire. I do not remember who trained Khozan. I would think probably Pletcher or Mclaughlin trained the horse. Krozan only made 2 starts and won both @7F and ! mile. Won by open lengths both starts. I am sure I wagered on him if he was any kind of price. The dam of Krozan Delta princess dropped Royal Delta(3 time champ) and Delta Prince (grade 1W). Horse stood for 4K now 8500. I would think his offspring would relish 2 turns. He probably was booked to less than stellar mares to breed to. If I could get a future book bet on sire winning the derby I would donate a few bucks.

Oh yeah. I’m interested, just hesitant. Untitled looked great.

[moses]

Old news but Untitled has been purchased privately and is heading to the Casse barn. I wonder who bought him. Seems like something Gary Barber might do?

[moses]

Just saw that Honor AP may be out of the Sham?

[moses]

Originally Posted by moses

Old news but Untitled has been purchased privately and is heading to the Casse barn. I wonder who bought him. Seems like something Gary Barber might do?

Confirmed. Untitled was purchased by Gary Barber. Casse plans to run him in the Swale Stakes...but says he doesn’t think he’ll have any issue getting two turns. Interesting.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...rgeting-swale/

[senator L]

I wonder if they give Sole Volante another try on dirt?

[moses]

Originally Posted by senator L

I wonder if they give Sole Volante another try on dirt?

I think he deserves another show, possibly longer. If they do, I wonder if they’ll switch the jockey up.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by senator L

I wonder if they give Sole Volante another try on dirt?

I think I read that they are. It’s a mistake IMO because they could have went around 2 more times the other day and he wasn’t finishing better than he did.

He’s a very good turf horse. I just don’t think he is the same on dirt, but obviously the purse money is in dirt racing early in the year.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by moses

Confirmed. Untitled was purchased by Gary Barber. Casse plans to run him in the Swale Stakes...but says he doesn’t think he’ll have any issue getting two turns. Interesting.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...rgeting-swale/

It seems every time a trainer says he doesn't believe a horse will have a problem going long, it has a problem going long:-)

[moses]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It seems every time a trainer says he doesn't believe a horse will have a problem going long, it has a problem going long:-)

Nothing says confidence in a horse’s ability to handle two turns like running him in a $200,000 sprint on the same day and at the same track that a $350,000 8.5 furlong Derby prep is being run.