Chad Brown wow 😳

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Nearly every barn in NY is dealing with this in varying degrees.

Administrative Judges aren't IMPARTIAL.

Nobody save a few people very close to the case know the facts.

People employed in the industry realize it's not an 8 hour a day job, no different than an UBER driver expecting to make an hourly wage. The difference is racing lobby has not lobbied well enough to set the standards.

Not sure how a guy can have the most successful operation in NY and not have happy (for the most part) high-quality help that feels good about their compensation? Maybe but unlikely.

Smells like a setup.

Smart people like Brown obviously can make mistakes too, and when you are growing attention to detail other than winning clients and races can wain, but we will see?

[moses]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Administrative Judges aren't IMPARTIAL.

Nobody save a few people very close to the case know the facts.

People employed in the industry realize it's not an 8 hour a day job, no different than an UBER driver expecting to make an hourly wage. The difference is racing lobby has not lobbied well enough to set the standards.

Not sure how a guy can have the most successful operation in NY and not have happy (for the most part) high-quality help that feels good about their compensation? Maybe but unlikely.

Smells like a setup.

Smart people like Brown obviously can make mistakes too, and when you are growing attention to detail other than winning clients and races can wain, but we will see?

On the issue of worker satisfaction, the complaint was brought by the US Secretary of Labor (unclear if this was based on worker complaints or not). Most of the allegations are a result of poor record keeping by Brown. The DOL then used Brown’s own records to demonstrate that he didn’t pay his employees the proper amounts. The actual backpay awarded was around $1.2 million ($100,000+ in civil penalties, almost $300,000 in liquidated damages.)

The time frame is also over a 32-month period for 150 employees. Do the math and you’ll realize it’s not a huge amount per day for each employee - but it’s a lot of employees over a long time frame.

It doesn’t seem like this was a mistake by Brown. It seems like it’s industry-wide practice but the federal DOL has decided to crack down on it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by moses

On the issue of worker satisfaction, the complaint was brought by the US Secretary of Labor. Most of the allegations are a result of poor record keeping by Brown. The DOL then used Brown’s own records to demonstrate that he didn’t pay his employees the proper amounts. The actual backpay awarded was around $1.2 million ($100,000+ in civil penalties, almost $300,000 in liquidated damages.)

The time frame is also over a 32-month period for 150 employees. Do the math and you’ll realize it’s not a huge amount per day for each employee - but it’s a lot of employees over a long time frame.

It doesn’t seem like this was a mistake by Brown. It seems like it’s industry-wide practice, but the federal DOL has decided to crack down on it.

I get it I have been there. I am currently engaged in such with NLRB I know way too much about this stuff. I am shocked Brown has decided to pay the entire award. I guess he just wants to get on with doing what he does best.

My opinion remains the same the industry has done trainers no favors in educating labor depts on how things work. None of that exonerates trainers for doing wrong by workers, but labor depts are notoriously shortsighted

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I get it I have been there. I am currently engaged in such with NLRB I know way too much about this stuff. I am shocked Brown has decided to pay the entire award. I guess he just wants to get on with doing what he does best.

My opinion remains the same the industry has done trainers no favors in educating labor depts on how things work. None of that exonerates trainers for doing wrong by workers, but labor depts are notoriously shortsighted

Sounds like they're giving you a hard time you probably deserve.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Sounds like they're giving you a hard time you probably deserve.

What do you know about Freddy or his case? I'll answer....nothing.

I'll take my chances that Freddy, who is about as generous a person as anyone would ever hope to meet, is not intentionally taking advantage of others.

I'm wondering how a rush to judgement works for people, overall, in their lives. My guess is not well.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Sounds like they're giving you a hard time you probably deserve.

It's a long story but its public record so if you wish to read about it on NLRB site you can. The case is NYC Guided Tours LLC. You be the judge. The guy worked 15 shifts for us. they awarded him 105,000, he made 18 bucks an hour plus tips (which he never reported on a tax return). He is a great client for NLRB he has filed 4 cases with them in 7 years. Your taxpayer dollars at work. But hey you want to invest some time to recognize how deranged these things can be, go to school NLRB.gov

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