Done till Spa. F horse racing

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Exactly. They’ll be back in 2 weeks or sooner.

I know...all B.S. I'm sure they are betting already. Like it or not, gambling is an addiction and 99% of us on here have it. Our addictions always override objections and inquiries.

[Bruinguybry]

Easy for you to say i read where you said you had the #20 if that was baffert or pletcher that horse stays put. Its hard enough picking winners etc. I get over things fairly easy ill be over horse racing by next week. I spend to much time anyways handicapping, betting, watching. I'll miss going to keeneland with the wife besides that i won't miss wondering from here on out if i do hit a winner will it come down because the stewards dont happen to like certain trainers. That point is the #7 was the best and no-one was going by him

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Easy for you to say i read where you said you had the #20 if that was baffert or pletcher that horse stays put. Its hard enough picking winners etc. I get over things fairly easy ill be over horse racing by next week. I spend to much time anyways handicapping, betting, watching. I'll miss going to keeneland with the wife besides that i won't miss wondering from here on out if i do hit a winner will it come down because the stewards dont happen to like certain trainers. That point is the #7 was the best and no-one was going by him

So Kentucky stewards don’t like Jason Servis? For what reason?

[moses]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Easy for you to say i read where you said you had the #20 if that was baffert or pletcher that horse stays put. Its hard enough picking winners etc. I get over things fairly easy ill be over horse racing by next week. I spend to much time anyways handicapping, betting, watching. I'll miss going to keeneland with the wife besides that i won't miss wondering from here on out if i do hit a winner will it come down because the stewards dont happen to like certain trainers. That point is the #7 was the best and no-one was going by him

It is easy for me to say, but I also said midrace before I even knew the results that he came over hard (which you’ll just have to take my word for.) It’s a tough situation. No one wants the results of the Derby to be determined by the stewards...but I think they made the right call.

[ateamstupid]

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

[moses]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

[OldDog]

Ouch




That smarts.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by moses

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

This. I'd love for Rupert to show me where a Derby winner fouled another horse that badly at that crucial point of a race and didn't get DQ'ed. Pretty ridiculous to suggest that there should be different rules for the Derby than a $5,000 claimer.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This. I'd love for Rupert to show me where a Derby winner fouled another horse that badly at that crucial point of a race and didn't get DQ'ed. Pretty ridiculous to suggest that there should be different rules for the Derby than a $5,000 claimer.

You may be right. I don't remember a Derby winner fouling anyone. But I can think of horses being forced to take up sharply. I don't remember in any of those cases whether a horse who finished in the money was responsible. For example, I remember back in 2010 when they were passing the stands for the first time, somebody practically took Lookin at Lucky into the rail. It probably cost him 5-10 lengths. I can't remember who it was that fouled him and whether the horse who fouled him finished in the top 5. Here is the video of that incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bd0rf8RSeo

Every year there are horses taking up left and right and it's not always self-inflicted. But off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you whether any of those horses who have taken up badly, did so as a result of something that a horse who finished in the money did. And many of those incidents happened much earlier in the race.

I guess the perception of many people including myself is that there is always tons of bumping in the Derby and it is usually a very roughly run race. It seems that they usually allow almost anything. But you may be right that this is the worst foul that has happened at that point in the race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

I really think they should of tried to get some of that standing water off the track. That being said, if you you want to run the biggest 3 year old race of the year on that surface, then, I think they should only take the winner down if they think he wasn't best. Horses aren't gunna be able to stay that straight running on that surface.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

That's the point though. We don't know if he would have gotten 2nd or 3rd or even 4th or 5th, because he was fouled and affected the outcome.

Once the DQ is decided on, it doesn't matter whether the "winner" ends up being a horse that was probably not going to win- the horse taken down gets placed behind the one it affected (which the stewards correctly determined was Long Range Toddy.)