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[Scav]

Get Shake you Down's numbers, which shoudl be available for today. and See what his 'Prev Top' number is. I think that should be his career top

[sumitas]

where was entered and in what race ?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Get Shake you Down's numbers, which shoudl be available for today. and See what his 'Prev Top' number is. I think that should be his career top

Just checked it and that is correct, he was actually running very well early this year though. He had a 1% chance of running a career best today if he didn't scratch!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Just checked it and that is correct, he was actually running very well early this year though. He had a 1% chance of running a career best today if he didn't scratch!

ok, so then the percentage associated with the likelihood of running a "top" refers to the single best number ever?

just clarifying.

[sumitas]

I received an email that i thought stated that i can have free downloads on 2 days; 12/26 and 1/1 ...?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I received an email that i thought stated that i can have free downloads on 2 days; 12/26 and 1/1 ...?

between now and the 31st everything is free. just go as if you're going to buy it and the charge should be $0

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Just checked it and that is correct, he was actually running very well early this year though. He had a 1% chance of running a career best today if he didn't scratch!

Actually I think I misread it. He actually ran -4 several years back but ran a 0^1 at the start of January which is what is listed as his previous top. So there must be some sort of limit for how far it goes back for the previous top.

[golfer]

For what it's worth, I've been using Thoro-sheets for about 2 years. Initially, to save paper and ink, I used the Thoro-quick, but I have since switched to the full sheets (print 2 sides, uses 1/2 the paper), it's just easier to get a feel for the patterns, spacing, etc... The pattern percentages are a guide, only use them to cement your opinion one way or the other. As I told Steve a few weeks ago, just when I think I have mastered reading and interpreting these things, I have an o-fer, and have to go back to the drawing board. But I plan on down-loading a bunch for Saturday.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

For what it's worth, I've been using Thoro-sheets for about 2 years. Initially, to save paper and ink, I used the Thoro-quick, but I have since switched to the full sheets (print 2 sides, uses 1/2 the paper), it's just easier to get a feel for the patterns, spacing, etc... The pattern percentages are a guide, only use them to cement your opinion one way or the other. As I told Steve a few weeks ago, just when I think I have mastered reading and interpreting these things, I have an o-fer, and have to go back to the drawing board. But I plan on down-loading a bunch for Saturday.

Completely agree golfer. The second I start struting like a peacock, I GET SMOKED the next day.

[Scav]

I would be interested to know if Klanfer or Simon use 'numbers' and which ones if they do

[NoCarolinaTony]

Many Trainers and stable managers use sheets to place horses in races to run or use them to buy horses,typically early on in their careers based on potential.

I would agree with Steve, in that I really don't get so hung up on the thoro pattern of the universe of horse but rather of the trainers typical MO. I also use the Sheets for horse elimination and or inclusion in exotics vs looking for winners. Another thing you must consider, is that on major cicuits like NY or CA there are many sheet players (TG or Ragozin), so the major coup are harder and harder to find but on minor circuits, the sheets can find you those gems we all are looking for. I also prefer the thoro quicks on the major circuits, but I find the sheet format helpful on the smaller circuits like Beulah for instance, in that you do see patterns and spacing or identify potential or project potential reactions or bounces. You can mathematically calculate the range of numbers for any given field of horses and genrate a range as to where this upcomming race might be run and then try to see what pattern the horse you are looking at projects to run and if that runner fits. I don't base decisions on who to bet on thoro pattern projections. It's more of a nice to have when making your final cuts so to speak.

Anyway, I question the value of the fractional numbers above 5 and certainly above 10. I have a strong belief that the turf numbers are superior and tighter and more transferable track to track than the dirt numbers. (Just my opinion). That is not to say that the dirt numbers are bad or a misrepresentation in any way, more of result of the way turf races are run vs dirt in US.

What could be most helpful to anyone is look back at the past Breeders Cup or Derby Archive files and see what happened to horses going in. Ask specific questions about patterns of upcomming races or those past key races might also be most beneficial.

Look at AQU R6 from yesterday and tell me why based upon TG Figs Baby Yaya should have been 36-1 in that field?

I will be glad to help if I can.

NC Tony

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I would be interested to know if Klanfer or Simon use 'numbers' and which ones if they do

Worst thing about the TG's....seeing how damn slow my horses really are!!!!