Lukas down to 40 horses

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If this was a jury trial and I was a prosecutor, I would make sure I had the data to present to the jury. But this is not a trial and I am not a prosecutor.

If you don't want to believe what I'm saying about Lukas, then don't believe it. It's fine with me. I try to give you guys some insights into the business. I have no idea why you always give me a hard time when it comes to Lukas. You obviously are a fan of his and you don't want to hear anything negative about him.

I don't think you care about the numbers. If I had the numbers and posted them, you would question the authenticity of the numbers. In the past, when you wanted corroboration from others in the business about what I was saying, even after you got the corroboration, that still wasn't good enough for you.

When I think about it, if this was a jury trial over the past couple of years, you have been presented with more than enough information from several witnesses including Honu, LBigDog, BCMile10, PP, and numerous others. They have all confirmed what I have said. If you think we're all full of it, that is your prerogative.

no, sir, i am no lukas fan. that's where you get it wrong. but i'm also a fan of people not just posting their opinion without any proof, and putting that opinion up as being a FACT. you don't like lukas, fine. i know posters have said they don't like his tactics, they think he's too hard on horses. THAT is OPINION-something everyone is entitled to. you cross the line in saying he breaks down a higher percentage of horses than other trainers, and that insurance co's won't cover him. if it's such a known fact, why nothing from you, his harshest critic, to back up something you are posting as proven, when you have never shown anything to prove it?!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no, sir, i am no lukas fan. that's where you get it wrong. but i'm also a fan of people not just posting their opinion without any proof, and putting that opinion up as being a FACT. you don't like lukas, fine. i know posters have said they don't like his tactics, they think he's too hard on horses. THAT is OPINION-something everyone is entitled to. you cross the line in saying he breaks down a higher percentage of horses than other trainers, and that insurance co's won't cover him. if it's such a known fact, why nothing from you, his harshest critic, to back up something you are posting as proven, when you have never shown anything to prove it?!

I've given you proof. Several months ago, I even gave you the name of one of the biggest insurance companies that won't insure him. Did you call them? Of course not. You don't want to call them because if you called them then you wouldn't be able to argue with me any more. I know you too well Danzig.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I've given you proof. Several months ago, I even gave you the name of one of the biggest insurance companies that won't insure him. Did you call them? Of course not. You don't want to call them because if you called them then you wouldn't be able to argue with me any more. I know you too well Danzig.

you have given me proof? what was that?? as for giving me a name, i must have missed that one. maybe it was a same old tired thread i chose to ignore, as it never goes anywhere.
lol
oh boy, you 'know' me?! lol that's rich. lemme know when you find the #'s of breakdowns, %'s, etc....been waiting for that for some time.
i'd be happy to have that name again. a # would be great. so that way, i can go find your 'proof' for you....

She's a fighter, Pupkin. She'll never quit. Ever.

D. Wayne has trained probably a billion dollars in horse flesh. Nobody can take away his accomplishments nor can they take away his failures. However, law of averages says he's going to have more failure than success.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

She's a fighter, Pupkin. She'll never quit. Ever.

D. Wayne has trained probably a billion dollars in horse flesh. Nobody can take away his accomplishments nor can they take away his failures. However, law of averages says he's going to have more failure than success.

pillow, i just want him to show where he's coming from. i don't think that's too much to ask. it's hilarious that i find myself in this position, as i've never cared much for dwl. he always seemed rather pompous to me.
like i said, you don't like the guys methods, that's one thing.
hey, if he's right, great. i won't lose sleep over it. but i'd love to see something concrete showing that lukas is indeed a bigger breaker down of horses. now, if rupe perceives that lukas breaks down more, fine. but to state it as fact, then you should back it up imo.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

pillow, i just want him to show where he's coming from. i don't think that's too much to ask. it's hilarious that i find myself in this position, as i've never cared much for dwl. he always seemed rather pompous to me.
like i said, you don't like the guys methods, that's one thing.
hey, if he's right, great. i won't lose sleep over it. but i'd love to see something concrete showing that lukas is indeed a bigger breaker down of horses. now, if rupe perceives that lukas breaks down more, fine. but to state it as fact, then you should back it up imo.

Well i'm sure he's got more breakdowns than most trainers due to the fact he's trained 1000's of horses. Percentage wise he might not be number 1 but I bet he's close.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well i'm sure he's got more breakdowns than most trainers due to the fact he's trained 1000's of horses. Percentage wise he might not be number 1 but I bet he's close.

The only thing that matters is percentages. You would expect a guy with 150 horses to have 5x the amount of breakdowns as a guy with 30 horses. The absolute number of breakdows is not important. It's the percentage that is important.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well i'm sure he's got more breakdowns than most trainers due to the fact he's trained 1000's of horses. Percentage wise he might not be number 1 but I bet he's close.

yeah, he would have more in total if he had a larger stable, but it's the %'s....i also have seen threads about baffert that accuse him of having the highest % of breakdowns. some don't like his methods either.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

pillow, i just want him to show where he's coming from. i don't think that's too much to ask. it's hilarious that i find myself in this position, as i've never cared much for dwl. he always seemed rather pompous to me.
like i said, you don't like the guys methods, that's one thing.
hey, if he's right, great. i won't lose sleep over it. but i'd love to see something concrete showing that lukas is indeed a bigger breaker down of horses. now, if rupe perceives that lukas breaks down more, fine. but to state it as fact, then you should back it up imo.

Not only is it just breakdowns, but he has an incredibly high number of horses that don't finish the race. This would include any horse that broke down in the race, was eased in the race, was pulled up in the race, or who lost by over 30 lengths. I don't remember the exact number but he had around 4x more than the average trainer in terms of percentages of horses that don't finish a race.