7/23-24 (SAR): CCA Oaks (G1); Caress

[knickslions2]

With all due respect to Arrogate who ran some really fast races I still think American Pharoahs run in 2015 was one of the best we have seen in a long time. 5 wins in 12 weeks including the grueling triple crown, a haskel win, tiring 2nd in short rest travers and topped off with a brilliant 2:00 minute classic romp. That horse loved to run and wish we could have seen him at 4. Arrogate may come back in next race but its hard to love a horse that only ran 5 races in the last 12 months and the last one terrible.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

With all due respect to Arrogate who ran some really fast races I still think American Pharoahs run in 2015 was one of the best we have seen in a long time. 5 wins in 12 weeks including the grueling triple crown, a haskel win, tiring 2nd in short rest travers and topped off with a brilliant 2:00 minute classic romp. That horse loved to run and wish we could have seen him at 4. Arrogate may come back in next race but its hard to love a horse that only ran 5 races in the last 12 months and the last one terrible.

(emphasis added)

It's harder for me to love a horse that only ran 11 times in its career, and not much of it against formidable competition.

I wouldn't call ether horse "great". Yet.

[RHT2004]

Wow. I think i have heard it all now. The same people that defend Songbird question Arrogate??
Sure American Pharoah won the TC, but other then his Classic what other race makes him even competitive with Arrogates 4 big races?

[knickslions2]

I probably need to be working instead of this but to be clear here I stated AP's 2015 run was one of the greats. No horse in over 30 years passed that gauntlet of races. His breeders cup win was equal to Arrogates in my opinion although the hardest thing in this sport is comparing races as there are too many variables. That's what makes betting fun. I too would have loved to see him run at 4 and beat up Chrome. I never said he was the greatest. I'm not a songbird lover at all but I give the horse its due as it wins the races its in. As for Arrogate I stated it ran some very strong races but I'm a fan of horse that run and compete more often. To each his own as I go back to the grind of work.

[RHT2004]

Its good conversation

[cakes44]

RHT throwing out Commentator like a Bat-Signal for BTW, but BTW never came in to save the day! Awesome troll.

[cakes44]

If Arrogate doesn't win another race, is Arrogate truly better than even Pleasantly Perfect?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by cakes44

RHT throwing out Commentator like a Bat-Signal for BTW, but BTW never came in to save the day! Awesome troll.

Im not trolling. Commentator is an all time fast horse. Have you seen his pps?