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Old 12-21-2006, 02:16 PM
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This is completely ridiculous. Anyone that has taken Biology 101 could tell people who feel this way how crazy it is.
Yeah it is!

Point Given's dam would rocket to the lead in races....and, except for one time when she barely held at a mile on turf...she would always fire on the airbrakes late if the race was beyond 5.5 furlongs.

Point Given, on the hand, won the 12 furlong Belmont Stakes by the length of a city block.
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Old 12-21-2006, 02:34 PM
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E Z Warrior worked this morning at Hollywood Park in 1:11.60. It was the co-second fastest of 15 at the 6 panel distance.

The other horse to duplicate that time was another Baffert trainee that hasn't been seen in a while, to my knowledge...........Mr. Sekiguchi.

I don't know if the two horses worked as a pair or not, but it does look like one or both of them may be nearing an afternoon appearance in the not-too-distant future.
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Old 12-21-2006, 02:55 PM
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She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89? She had dominant zip.She ran fields off their feet(trying to keep up with her.) Whatever she had left after the Derby was not her "A" game.Just shows you how good she was(that she could come close with her "B" game.)
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:02 PM
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She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89? She had dominant zip.She ran fields off their feet(trying to keep up with her.) Whatever she had left after the Derby was not her "A" game.Just shows you how good she was(that she could come close with her "B" game.)

This is not only ridiculous it runs completely contrary to the evidence of her career record.

She ran, as DrugS accurately pointed out, a superb race in the Preakness. She held a five length lead into the stretch before being run down late by the great Personal Ensign in the Maskette and then lost by a nose to the same Personal Ensign in the BC Distaff while finishing ahead of Goodbye Halo who would simply have dusted these paper tigers we have seen leading that division in recent years.

A better argument could be made that the Derby was not her best effort and all things considered she should have finished behind both Forty Niner and Risen Star....at least on that day.
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:09 PM
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She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89?
While I agree that her 4-year-old season was a disaster....I think the credit for that should go to the butcher who trained her.

Can anyone name a single D. Ranged Lukas trained horse, who was raced in two or more triple crown races, and did anything at age 4?
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:14 PM
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While I agree that her 4-year-old season was a disaster....I think the credit for that should go to the butcher who trained her.

Can anyone name a single D. Ranged Lukas trained horse, who was raced in two or more triple crown races, and did anything at age 4?
Cat Thief?
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:17 PM
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He never won a single race at age 4....or beyond.

But yeah...he was "right there" in a few sub-par runnings of important races. He did manage a 2nd in one Grade 1 and a 3rd in another Grade 1 stake that year.
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:22 PM
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He never won a single race at age 4....or beyond.

But yeah...he was "right there" in a few sub-par runnings of important races. He did manage a 2nd in one Grade 1 and a 3rd in another Grade 1 stake that year.
I know he didn't win but he had a very good year ( second in the Whitney to Lemon Drop Kid ) and an extensive campaign.
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While I agree that her 4-year-old season was a disaster....I think the credit for that should go to the butcher who trained her.

Can anyone name a single D. Ranged Lukas trained horse, who was raced in two or more triple crown races, and did anything at age 4?
Victory Speech
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:32 PM
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Please tell me you are kidding?
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:34 PM
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Please tell me you are kidding?
He was the only one I could think of... I think he won the Strub and some other race.
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:38 PM
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Victory Speech as a 4-year-old....

Record: 7-1-0-0

Jan 11th: San Fernando Stakes: 6th 88 Beyer

Feb 2nd: Strub Stakes: 1st 108 Beyer

Mar 1st: GP Hanidcap: 5th (beaten 23) 84 Beyer

APR 5th: Oaklawn Park Cap: 5th 100 Beyer

Apr 26th: Excelsior Cap: 4th by 12.5

Jun 14th: Stephen Foster: 4th by 10

Oct 12: Empire Classic: 7th by 14.5 77 Beyer

Never ran again....
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While I agree that her 4-year-old season was a disaster....I think the credit for that should go to the butcher who trained her.

Can anyone name a single D. Ranged Lukas trained horse, who was raced in two or more triple crown races, and did anything at age 4?

ORIENTATE!!
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:52 PM
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ORIENTATE!!

Orientate didn't break his maiden until Saratoga....as a 3YO.
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:53 PM
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ORIENTATE!!
Lucky for him he didn't break his madien until that late....

the same can't be said for poor Scrimshaw.....

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Old 12-21-2006, 03:50 PM
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E Z Warrior worked this morning at Hollywood Park in 1:11.60. It was the co-second fastest of 15 at the 6 panel distance.

The other horse to duplicate that time was another Baffert trainee that hasn't been seen in a while, to my knowledge...........Mr. Sekiguchi.

I don't know if the two horses worked as a pair or not, but it does look like one or both of them may be nearing an afternoon appearance in the not-too-distant future.

1:11 and change is pretty common for Baffert runners. If Baffert runners dont work fast then I am curious. I think he is preping this horse really well for his next debut. I figure he gives him a 7F allownace before stretching him out
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