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12-21-2006, 04:47 AM
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12-21-2006, 01:01 PM
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I was told that Sire determines Distance and Surface whereas Dam determines class. But what the hell do I know??
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12-21-2006, 01:19 PM
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Eaj,
You're correct on the old theory that the stallion influenced distance and the dam-side imparted the class, but in recent times, the Classic's have been won by colts who were sired by sprinters/milers but were out of dam's who female family had a lot of back stamina. The ways of the world seem to be changing... it only makes sense though. Most of the commercial sire lines are very speed oriented and the stamina to get 10f+ will have to come from somewhere else.
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12-21-2006, 01:26 PM
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EAJ,if the horse is really,really good(but distance limited,)I think he can get the 10f(the 1st time he is asked to do it.)After that though,the horse can sour badly.Like the top filly in '88 that won the Derby(Winning Colors.)She was a really good 3 year old filly out here at Anita.She won the Anita Derby,and then was getting pretty late in the Kentucky Derby.She made it,but was toast for the rest of that Spring and Summer.She didn't really come back to form at all until the B.C. Distaff(a very close 2nd.)
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12-21-2006, 01:28 PM
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12-21-2006, 02:05 PM
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Winning Colors actually ran an outstanding 3rd to Risen Star in the Preakness after her Derby win. She was involved in a bitter pace battle, through fast fractions, with a champion named Forty Niner.
Winning Colors ended up 3rd, beaten just 2.5 lengths. Forty Niner ended up 7th beaten about 15 lengths. Forty Niner would win an ALW race, the Haskell, the Travers, lose a photo to Alysheba in the Woodward, and win the NYRA Mile in his next five starts...after the Preakness duel. I know Blackthroatedwind has warned me about going into detail on these old races....but, in my opinion Winning Colors ran a better race in the Preakness than the Derby. Risen Star, on the other hand, ran an AMAZING race in the race Derby! He was hung out, and was the only horse doing any real serious passing. It was obvious Risen Star was best that day. However, I'm not so sure his Preakness race, even in victory, was better than WC's Preakness effort. After the Belmont Stakes...Winning Colors returned in the Maskette, got loose on the early lead, but was wore down late by Personal Ensign...losing by about a half a length.
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12-21-2006, 02:09 PM
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12-21-2006, 02:07 PM
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12-21-2006, 02:16 PM
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Point Given's dam would rocket to the lead in races....and, except for one time when she barely held at a mile on turf...she would always fire on the airbrakes late if the race was beyond 5.5 furlongs. Point Given, on the hand, won the 12 furlong Belmont Stakes by the length of a city block.
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12-21-2006, 02:34 PM
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E Z Warrior worked this morning at Hollywood Park in 1:11.60. It was the co-second fastest of 15 at the 6 panel distance.
The other horse to duplicate that time was another Baffert trainee that hasn't been seen in a while, to my knowledge...........Mr. Sekiguchi. I don't know if the two horses worked as a pair or not, but it does look like one or both of them may be nearing an afternoon appearance in the not-too-distant future.
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12-21-2006, 02:55 PM
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She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89? She had dominant zip.She ran fields off their feet(trying to keep up with her.) Whatever she had left after the Derby was not her "A" game.Just shows you how good she was(that she could come close with her "B" game.)
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12-21-2006, 03:02 PM
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This is not only ridiculous it runs completely contrary to the evidence of her career record. She ran, as DrugS accurately pointed out, a superb race in the Preakness. She held a five length lead into the stretch before being run down late by the great Personal Ensign in the Maskette and then lost by a nose to the same Personal Ensign in the BC Distaff while finishing ahead of Goodbye Halo who would simply have dusted these paper tigers we have seen leading that division in recent years. A better argument could be made that the Derby was not her best effort and all things considered she should have finished behind both Forty Niner and Risen Star....at least on that day.
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12-21-2006, 03:09 PM
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Can anyone name a single D. Ranged Lukas trained horse, who was raced in two or more triple crown races, and did anything at age 4?
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12-21-2006, 03:14 PM
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12-21-2006, 03:28 PM
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12-21-2006, 03:51 PM
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ORIENTATE!!
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12-21-2006, 03:50 PM
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1:11 and change is pretty common for Baffert runners. If Baffert runners dont work fast then I am curious. I think he is preping this horse really well for his next debut. I figure he gives him a 7F allownace before stretching him out
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