1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

[King Glorious]

I'm guessing today's loss will clinch HOY for 2017 for.......California Chrome.

[freddymo]

Not sure I could give Shaman Ghost more then a 105 off the layoff etc

[richard burch]

Can't say it was an exciting first rendition. Chrome needed to show up for that to happen. Great horse and career though and make he do well in the shed.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Can't say it was an exciting first rendition. Chrome needed to show up for that to happen. Great horse and career though and make he do well in the shed.

Really? A once in a lifetime talent just cruised geared down. That wasn't exciting? This horse is 1 or 2 more of these races away from best ever IMO. He is different. No other horse is even close to him right now and I believe he is still improving. He is a lightly raced 4yr old. The best is yet to come.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

This horse is 1 or 2 more of these races away from best ever IMO.

Who is your current best ever...Ghostzapper?

[Secretriat34]

well chrome didn't fire nad it seemed that the trainer had a lot of knowlwedge concerning the specifics of what he thought went wrong. makes you wonder if he was hurt before the race..just saying

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

well chrome didn't fire nad it seemed that the trainer had a lot of knowlwedge concerning the specifics of what he thought went wrong. makes you wonder if he was hurt before the race..just saying

Point number one : There is absolutely no way on God's green earth that Art Sherman or the ownership team would have risked the breedings rights on this horse by running him injured. Say what you will about the ownership, but Art Sherman deserves more credit and respect than that.

Point number two : Hung wide as expected, Chrome was travelling well along side Arrogate moving along the backside. He seemed to lose action heading into the turn which could have been related to the shift in the jockeys weight to handle the turn. This could explain an outer knee injury.

Point number three : Horses get injured during the running of a race. Dr. Bramlage's early assessment was that this was not going to be serious, but Espinoza clearly understood that the horse had injured himself and wrapped him up into the stretch.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Who is your current best ever...Ghostzapper?

Yeah, the hen is full of hyperbole, but Arrogate is pretty awesome.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Who is your current best ever...Ghostzapper?

When I say best ever I guess I get a tad excited. I should say best I have seen. My knowledge of the game goes back to like the late 90s. The best horses I have seen are Point Given, Bernardini and Ghostzapper. Ghostzapper being 1 by a lot. I have seen monster races from Quality Road and Frosted, but never anyone paring races up like Arrogate. Has a horse even Ghostzapper ever run 3 races like Arrogate just has?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

When I say best ever I guess I get a tad excited. I should say best I have seen. My knowledge of the game goes back to like the late 90s. The best horses I have seen are Point Given, Bernardini and Ghostzapper. Ghostzapper being 1 by a lot. I have seen monster races from Quality Road and Frosted, but never anyone paring races up like Arrogate. Has a horse even Ghostzapper ever run 3 races like Arrogate just has?

I kind of figured that. Appreciate the clarification.

All of Ghostzapper's route races were monster races(his last 4). Plus among those he beat in those races were Saint Liam, Roses in May, and Pleasantly Perfect, all of which were better horses than anything Arrogate has faced, including Chrome, IMO.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Really? A once in a lifetime talent just cruised geared down. That wasn't exciting? This horse is 1 or 2 more of these races away from best ever IMO. He is different. No other horse is even close to him right now and I believe he is still improving. He is a lightly raced 4yr old. The best is yet to come.

I agree with everything except for the 1 or 2 more races. That's just ridiculous but understandable considering your bromance with Bob.

[blackthroatedwind]

Best ever? That's funny.

Best horse since Ghostzapper is more like it. What he is really demonstrating is what happens when a great talent races against a lot of very mediocre supposed good horses.

Watching Arrogate against these horses is what it would have looked like if the 3YO Rachel Alexandra had raced against Songbird.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Best ever? That's funny.

Best horse since Ghostzapper is more like it. What he is really demonstrating is what happens when a great talent races against a lot of very mediocre supposed good horses.

Watching Arrogate against these horses is what it would have looked like if the 3YO Rachel Alexandra had raced against Songbird and Beholder.

fixed that for ya

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Best ever? That's funny.

Best horse since Ghostzapper is more like it. What he is really demonstrating is what happens when a great talent races against a lot of very mediocre supposed good horses.

Watching Arrogate against these horses is what it would have looked like if the 3YO Rachel Alexandra had raced against Songbird.

Rachel would have ducked songbird and beholder the way she ducked Zenyatta

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Best ever? That's funny.

Best horse since Ghostzapper is more like it. What he is really demonstrating is what happens when a great talent races against a lot of very mediocre supposed good horses.

Watching Arrogate against these horses is what it would have looked like if the 3YO Rachel Alexandra had raced against Songbird.

I'm with you on the last sentence.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Really? A once in a lifetime talent just cruised geared down. That wasn't exciting? This horse is 1 or 2 more of these races away from best ever IMO. He is different. No other horse is even close to him right now and I believe he is still improving. He is a lightly raced 4yr old. The best is yet to come.

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

Im not putting him with the "greats" yet. C.C raced 27 times and won 16 of them. Arrogate raced 7 times. Yes arrogate beat him but C.C. was like Ali at the end of his career. It's way too early and he will probably be retired next year.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

I guess Secreteriat's Belmont must have been a real snoozer for you.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

Im not putting him with the "greats" yet. C.C raced 27 times and won 16 of them. Arrogate raced 7 times. Yes arrogate beat him but C.C. was like Ali at the end of his career. It's way too early and he will probably be retired next year.

Really? Chrome was over the hill when he won HOY and won all but one of his starts?

Wow, even for you that is pretty dumb.

[Secretriat34]

so it seems that upon arrival in Kentucky to breed , California Chrome was
x-rayed thoroughly, as most thoroughbreds are.

They found No issues, sound as a loud noise.

Could it be that the Horse in the #1 stall, Arrogate, got such a good start running into the first turn, striding wickedly fast, that the post position for Chrome was too much to overcome. I mean you really can't give Arrogate a head start by a few lengths with his speed, and expect to catch up to him.

I saw a 6 year old horse, who saw he couldn't catch up to the speed of Arrogate out of the gate, and he just gave up, like a horse who has grown tired of the game.

Nothing more than that..
he was behind from the post draw, and never caught up, and gave up at a mile after wicked fractions. He was seasoned enough to know, he couldn't catch Arrogate.

when you are in the 20th post at CD, you have a long stretch run to run the hypotenuse vector into the first turn, and loose little ground; at GP however, your hypotenuse vector is very short, and in most cases an insurmountable obstacle leaving you to run vertically instead of horizontally to approach the first turn. I wonder what the trackus distances would have been for the 2 ?

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Really? Chrome was over the hill when he won HOY and won all but one of his starts?

Wow, even for you that is pretty dumb.

Horses can become old real quick, especially after 27 races and 5 years of racing.