9/24 (PRX): Cotillion (G1), PA Derby (G2), Gallant Bob (G3)

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

i expected more from what i thought were the division leaders.

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

Didnt Darley buy Nyquist? What 4 year old season? Breeding?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Didnt Darley buy Nyquist? What 4 year old season? Breeding?

Paul Reddam controls the racing career according to the report on the stud deal late last year and he seems like one that likes to keep them racing. His post race comments for the Penn Derby hinted that he wouldn't be opposed to skipping the BC considering the colt's performance, presumably to regroup for later races (i.e. a 4yo campaign).

At the very least, I would guess that he has his eye on that Pegasus Cup monstrosity early next year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Paul Reddam controls the racing career according to the report on the stud deal late last year and he seems like one that likes to keep them racing. His post race comments for the Penn Derby hinted that he wouldn't be opposed to skipping the BC considering the colt's performance, presumably to regroup for later races (i.e. a 4yo campaign).

At the very least, I would guess that he has his eye on that Pegasus Cup monstrosity early next year.

I wonder when Reddam's control expires I would assume at end of 3 year old campaign but I wouldnt know

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I wonder when Reddam's control expires I would assume at end of 3 year old campaign but I wouldnt know

From the Bloodhorse back in Nov. '15:

Reddam and his team, which includes trainer Doug O'Neill, will control the racing career of Nyquist.

"It might be a conversation we have at this time next year to see where we are at the end of his 3-year-old season," Darley chief operating officer Dan Pride said. "If it's the right time to retire him, fine, and if it looks like he should stay in training, then he'll stay in training."

I think Darley will be talked into the Pegasus Cup especially if he skips the BC. Of course, they might also simply set their sights lower and aim for the Dirt Mile.

[Secretriat34]

so does that mean no DWC 2017 for Nyquist ?

maybe he'll be back in his juvy form by then

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

maybe even the Clark..Nyquist seemed to like CD

[Benny]

May be time for a Euro to step up for BC ?? if not Arrogate.

[Secretriat34]

Chrome has the bcc in the bag

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Chrome has the bcc in the bag

u dont think much of arrogate...one race wonder maybe?

[Secretriat34]

Arrogate had a real good run last out, but his diary is empty, too little too late, even if he wins the BCC (doubtful) one of the BCD would bw HOY
songbird has 11 wins in a row...and a cool name !

arrow gate points to nixon...get it.?

[Indian Charlie]

I hear Declan moon is a shoe in for champion 3 year old male.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Benny

May be time for a Euro to step up for BC ?? if not Arrogate.

If Arrogate starts in the BCC and doesn't have a start in-between that race and the Travers, he will make for an unprecedented profile in that race.

In the last 25 BCCs, here are the lightly raced 3yos who contested the race. Unlike Arrogate (if he trains up to the BC), all of these started in late September or October as a final "prep".

1995: French Deputy wins debut at 2, wins 2x in February, then on shelf until September when he wins the Jerome. Gets beat in an allowance prep and runs 9th in the BCC.

1996: Formal Gold debuts in June and makes 6 starts prior to the BC, with runner up finishes in the Penn Derby and Meadowlands Cup. Mild rally for 5th a few lengths behind the blanket finish of Alphabet Soup, Cigar, etc. Will's Way debuts in February, wins the Travers, but tanks in both the Super Derby and BCC (7th).

1997: Behrens debuts in January, runs a close second in the Travers, wins the 4-horse $1 million Pegasus, then buried by Skip Away in the BCC.

1998: Arch ran once at 2, lightly raced until summer, won the Super Derby and Fayette, but finishes last in the BCC (Gentlemen eased).

2000: Tiznow debuts in April, runs 8 times leading up to BCC. Won Super Derby at 10f, like Arrogate, in track record time (1:59+). Also took Goodwood. Won BCC by a nose over Giant's Causeway.

2001: Orientate ran twice at 2, laid up until following summer, won Indiana Derby, then ran last in Tiznow's second BCC.

2009: Girolamo ran in stakes at 2, but on shelf until August at 3, won Jerome and then last on synthetic BCC to Zenyatta.

2011: Rattlesnake Bridge debuts in February, runs 2nd in the Travers, then only 9th in BCC to Drosselmeyer.

2012: Nonios debuts in February, places in Haskell, 5th in Travers and 6th in BCC to Fort Larned.

2014: V.E. Day debuts in January, wins Travers. 11th in BCC.

[taxicab]

I could be wrong here,but it seems to me that this year the BC will have more horses than usual coming into their races off of semi-layoffs.
I never really like the August/early Sept. to the Cup move,so I'll be curious how the layoff horses fare.
I know this,if the August to the Cup horses do well........I won't.