Obamacare Bleeding Out

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I didn't know she was a health care ceo.

and why is it ok for rich folks to make tons, but let the rest of us ask for a raise, and we get told to suck it? what's the rationale for that?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...e-ceo-pay-gap/

Americans estimated that the ratio of CEO pay to unskilled worker pay is about 30-to-1, new research by scholars at the Harvard Business School and Thailand’s Chulalongkorn University reveals. In reality, the average S&P 500 company CEO earned 354 times what the average U.S. worker did in 2012, the researchers say. Americans said that ideally that gap would be 6.7-to-1.

the ratio between me and my employees is three to one. not 350 to one.


and then there's this:

This pay disparity between CEOs and working people in the U.S. has exploded in the past three decades. After hovering between 20-to-1 and 30-to-1 from the 1960s through the late 1980s, the ratio doubled to roughly 60-to-1 under President George H. W. Bush, leapt to more than 100-to-1 at the outset of President Clinton’s term, and spiked to nearly 400-to-1 at the height of the dot-com bubble at the turn of the millenium. Subsequent recessions have only made minor, temporary dents in the figure.

Not a real news site.

So, you get told to suck it if you ask for a raise, but you have employees? Who are you asking for a raise? Why do you only pay them a third of what you make?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Not a real news site.

So, you get told to suck it if you ask for a raise, but you have employees? Who are you asking for a raise? Why do you only pay them a third of what you make?

I say we as in we workers. like my husband, my kids, etc not we as in me personally. the suck it from people like you, who defend rich getting richer, and think it's ok for everyone else to fight over what's left.

and it's not a real news site? is the info correct tho?

[jms62]

Too much money in too few hands brought on the last depression. These few hands are now buying legislation that will further enrich them but it is all good since ole Bezos and Zuck made billions it means you also will since this is the land of opportunity. Funny how the retired folk think this is still the 70's where a degree and hard work was all you need. The bus doesnt stop rolling once they get off it. Their perspective is outdated. Thing was back in the day you layed off workers when things were going bad and hired people when things were going good. TOday you lay people off when things are going bad and out source jobs and lay people off when things are going good and then you simply change the way unemployment numbers are calculated so it all looks rosy to those that stop at the headline.

[OldDog]

Who should decide how much an employee is paid?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Who should decide how much an employee is paid?

what, are you Socrates answering questions with questions? why are you ok with what this has become?
for the longest time, if one had a job, one could make it. not anymore. who had the power to change that? I'd wager it's the one's reaping the rewards from how things are now, with an ever tilted field. bought and paid for by the very rich, enacted by their puppets, and defended by...old dog.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what, are you Socrates answering questions with questions? why are you ok with what this has become?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what, are you Socrates answering questions with questions? why are you ok with what this has become?
for the longest time, if one had a job, one could make it. not anymore. who had the power to change that? I'd wager it's the one's reaping the rewards from how things are now, with an ever tilted field. bought and paid for by the very rich, enacted by their puppets, and defended by...old dog.

You seem to operate under the assumption that it's a closed system, with a finite amount of money.

Understand that the rich will always get richer. Money begets money. But your problem is with CEOs who you believe are overpaid. So, let's get to the meat of it. Who do you believe should decide how much money an employee should be paid for his or her services?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

You seem to operate under the assumption that it's a closed system, with a finite amount of money.

Understand that the rich will always get richer. Money begets money. But your problem is with CEOs who you believe are overpaid. So, let's get to the meat of it. Who do you believe should decide how much money an employee should be paid for his or her services?

Actually, a lot of money is now in a closed loop system, the financial world.
As for who decides the pay. I would imagine it is the same who always decided. The issue is why did the pay get skewed? How do we repair that? How did it get as it is, from where it was? I already said, above, how that is.

[Pants II]

You create a false climate crisis to destroy the nation's energy industry so you can enrich the backward nomads so they can have a small chance at a global caliphate.

You over-regulate every aspect of the average Americans lives to the point they mentally and physically submit to the state. You threaten their dependence and mold them into conforming parrots where they spread the failed message of socialism to the impoverished masses.

Socialism implemented. Millions die. Everything goes back to tribalism.

The weak-chinned cucks who cried when the wild animal was taken out of its natural habitat and put in a zoo raged and whined when others tried to prevent the wild animal from migrating to their neighborhood.

Whoda thunkit? Won't shed a tear.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Pants II

You create a false climate crisis to destroy the nation's energy industry so you can enrich the backward nomads so they can have a small chance at a global caliphate.

You over-regulate every aspect of the average Americans lives to the point they mentally and physically submit to the state. You threaten their dependence and mold them into conforming parrots where they spread the failed message of socialism to the impoverished masses.

Socialism implemented. Millions die. Everything goes back to tribalism.

The weak-chinned cucks who cried when the wild animal was taken out of its natural habitat and put in a zoo raged and whined when others tried to prevent the wild animal from migrating to their neighborhood.

Whoda thunkit? Won't shed a tear.

[Pants II]

You don't know who you are...so why should you garner an iota of respect?

If I recall correctly, you told all of us years ago that you leaned conservative.

Did you have a mentally debilitating stroke? Are you a paid shill and the original shill of your account retired?

I always had my doubts about your credibility. Mainly because I've never met a true conservative from Arclintonsas.

[Pants II]

What this doesn't tell you is the ones satisfied are subsidized. The workers don't like it.

Welfare queens absolutely love it. Why wouldn't they when the working class has to actually cover their deductibles and premiums.

If people weren't in fear of their livelihoods they would be rioting in the streets over this massive wealth redistribution.

Only a buffoon would support the ACA. It is absolutely indefensible.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

What this doesn't tell you is the ones satisfied are subsidized. The workers don't like it.

Welfare queens absolutely love it. Why wouldn't they when the working class has to actually cover their deductibles and premiums.

If people weren't in fear of their livelihoods they would be rioting in the streets over this massive wealth redistribution.

Only a buffoon would support the ACA. It is absolutely indefensible.

If a buffoon likes the ACA cause it no longer allows insurance companies to collect from you for years and then boot you out when you actually get sick than I am one BIG ****ING Buffoon! If a buffoon likes the ACA cause if you get sick and lose your job you can't be turned down then I am one big ****ing Buffoon. Of course there are things you cited that I don't like but the 2 things I cite protect me and my family and are truly insurance. I sir am a big ****ing Buffoon and have been called much worse.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

If a buffoon likes the ACA cause it no longer allows insurance companies to collect from you for years and then boot you out when you actually get sick than I am one BIG ****ING Buffoon! If a buffoon likes the ACA cause if you get sick and lose your job you can't be turned down then I am one big ****ing Buffoon. Of course there are things you cited that I don't like but the 2 things I cite protect me and my family and are truly insurance. I sir am a big ****ing Buffoon and have been called much worse.

You're a habitual appeaser. They "throw you a crumb and you kill 100 people for the crumb" type mentality.

You won't get it. You never will. The ACA wouldn't exist without the constantly cowed such as yourself.

Congrats. You're "guaranteed" to not lose everything. Even though Hospitals are shutting down and merging and doctors are retiring at a record pace.

F.uck it. Just as long as they "guarantee" I won't go broke.

[Pants II]

It's funny people can defend this crippling disaster known as Obamacare.

A family member last year spent 9 days in the hospital for merely hpb. One of the highest rated hospitals in the state makes numerous mistakes for hbp.

Just a stroke of bad luck, I guess. I'm sure others have had wonderbra experiences with aca and health care in general. If they're not subsidized I'd love to hear their stories.

Or crickets chirping. Either/Or.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

It's funny people can defend this crippling disaster known as Obamacare.

A family member last year spent 9 days in the hospital for merely hpb. One of the highest rated hospitals in the state makes numerous mistakes for hbp.

Just a stroke of bad luck, I guess. I'm sure others have had wonderbra experiences with aca and health care in general. If they're not subsidized I'd love to hear their stories.

Or crickets chirping. Either/Or.

Had someone close to me get cancer last year. Paid about a grand out of pocket and still has health insurance. Treatment was basically 9 months including surgery/chemo/radiation. All on Unsubsidized policy.

[Pants II]

That's wonderful.

I would just like for you to clarify that "guaranteed renewable" and "affordable care act" don't have to co-exist.

You see the latter is all about expanding the welfare state. You know about the debt. All of the guaranteed health coverage your heart desires isn't going to save you from less access and longer lines. It's coming.

Specialists are retiring at a rate that is unprecedented. Common sense would tell you that the "working" man's standard of care is going to be lowered. If the government is going to continue to use subsidies then it's natural that cash-strapped hospitals will choose those who are fully subsidized.

Oh well. It's all about screwing the flyover states. You know...rural folks.

Gotta get them all in cities. For some odd reason.

Just keep appeasing to the socialists, jms. We'll all be extinct soon enough. But at least you'll be right in the short term.

[Pants II]

Career military or federal employee are the best options for our youth.

Can't be repealed fast enough.

[Danzig]

Yeah, this insurance stuff....just horrible.
I mean, just my hospital bill for end of may was over 16k. Surgeon, anesthesia, etc will be separate.
After the lousy united health care payment and contractual adjustment, i have to pay $553 total. 1/32nd of the bill.
Those bastards.