Obamacare Bleeding Out

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column...rs-Get-Screwed

Screwed we are.

A friend who has written group health plans for 15 years is getting out, heading for the property & casualty market. He says it's unsustainable, and that it was designed as such.

of course it's unsustainable. I've said that since day one. the way it was set up, the exchanges will go into a death spiral.

[Rupert Pupkin]

New York Health Insurers Propose Big Rate Hikes for 2017

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...rea?news-image

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

New York Health Insurers Propose Big Rate Hikes for 2017

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...rea?news-image

I do appreciate chutzpah... Not only do they basically write the law they then point to it as they raise their already astronomical prices. Did any one in the exec suite take a cut in compensation? http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Parasites.aspx

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

New York Health Insurers Propose Big Rate Hikes for 2017

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...rea?news-image

http://www.ibtimes.com/rising-costs-...panies-1938699

yeah, cry me a river.
and just the other day, I was reading about the ratio between ceo's pay and their workers. yeah, the workers pay is the problem, like trump says...

http://fortune.com/2015/06/22/ceo-vs-worker-pay/

[OldDog]

Yeah, Oprah makes waaaay too much money. What gives her the right?

[Pants II]

Yeah totally fine with Bezos and Zuckerberg making **** tons of money but heaven forbid health care ceo's make less actually. They're a bigger threat than the previous two who control a large portion of the media.

It's the responsibility of our elected officials to read the bill. Most of the problems of the ACA is due to those morons not reading what they agreed to.

That is what plebs do at rent-a-centers.

Unacceptable and I'll be damned if the dishonest commies and other assorted circus freaks lie about it and try to lay blame on private capitalists.

This country is permanently divided. A continuous downward spiral that only proves that the Union should've let the South secede. This multicultural utopia isn't working and the stats don't lie. No matter how hard the liberals try to hide them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Yeah, Oprah makes waaaay too much money. What gives her the right?

I didn't know she was a health care ceo.

and why is it ok for rich folks to make tons, but let the rest of us ask for a raise, and we get told to suck it? what's the rationale for that?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...e-ceo-pay-gap/

Americans estimated that the ratio of CEO pay to unskilled worker pay is about 30-to-1, new research by scholars at the Harvard Business School and Thailand’s Chulalongkorn University reveals. In reality, the average S&P 500 company CEO earned 354 times what the average U.S. worker did in 2012, the researchers say. Americans said that ideally that gap would be 6.7-to-1.

the ratio between me and my employees is three to one. not 350 to one.


and then there's this:

This pay disparity between CEOs and working people in the U.S. has exploded in the past three decades. After hovering between 20-to-1 and 30-to-1 from the 1960s through the late 1980s, the ratio doubled to roughly 60-to-1 under President George H. W. Bush, leapt to more than 100-to-1 at the outset of President Clinton’s term, and spiked to nearly 400-to-1 at the height of the dot-com bubble at the turn of the millenium. Subsequent recessions have only made minor, temporary dents in the figure.

[OldDog]

Oprah is a high paid CEO. They're the enemy, right? Like in the Fortune article?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Oprah is a high paid CEO. They're the enemy, right? Like in the Fortune article?

who said they're the enemy?
my point is that the line of 'we can't afford to give workers a raise' is bullshit. these companies make more money than ever, but in the last 40 years or so, it's been titled drastically to giving most of the pay to the top, and nothing to the rest...and then people wonder why the economy hasn't grown as it ought.

are you comfortable with the change in the ratio? if so, why?

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I didn't know she was a health care ceo.

and why is it ok for rich folks to make tons, but let the rest of us ask for a raise, and we get told to suck it? what's the rationale for that?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...e-ceo-pay-gap/

Americans estimated that the ratio of CEO pay to unskilled worker pay is about 30-to-1, new research by scholars at the Harvard Business School and Thailand’s Chulalongkorn University reveals. In reality, the average S&P 500 company CEO earned 354 times what the average U.S. worker did in 2012, the researchers say. Americans said that ideally that gap would be 6.7-to-1.

the ratio between me and my employees is three to one. not 350 to one.


and then there's this:

This pay disparity between CEOs and working people in the U.S. has exploded in the past three decades. After hovering between 20-to-1 and 30-to-1 from the 1960s through the late 1980s, the ratio doubled to roughly 60-to-1 under President George H. W. Bush, leapt to more than 100-to-1 at the outset of President Clinton’s term, and spiked to nearly 400-to-1 at the height of the dot-com bubble at the turn of the millenium. Subsequent recessions have only made minor, temporary dents in the figure.

Not a real news site.

So, you get told to suck it if you ask for a raise, but you have employees? Who are you asking for a raise? Why do you only pay them a third of what you make?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Not a real news site.

So, you get told to suck it if you ask for a raise, but you have employees? Who are you asking for a raise? Why do you only pay them a third of what you make?

I say we as in we workers. like my husband, my kids, etc not we as in me personally. the suck it from people like you, who defend rich getting richer, and think it's ok for everyone else to fight over what's left.

and it's not a real news site? is the info correct tho?

[Pants II]

You don't know who you are...so why should you garner an iota of respect?

If I recall correctly, you told all of us years ago that you leaned conservative.

Did you have a mentally debilitating stroke? Are you a paid shill and the original shill of your account retired?

I always had my doubts about your credibility. Mainly because I've never met a true conservative from Arclintonsas.

[Pants II]

What this doesn't tell you is the ones satisfied are subsidized. The workers don't like it.

Welfare queens absolutely love it. Why wouldn't they when the working class has to actually cover their deductibles and premiums.

If people weren't in fear of their livelihoods they would be rioting in the streets over this massive wealth redistribution.

Only a buffoon would support the ACA. It is absolutely indefensible.