Most Memorable Moments of 2006 POLL!!!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Where did u read that? He didn't wish death upon anyone just said that he thought it could be good for the sport that another drugged up horse is not out there messing the game up anymore. It's really no different than people who think unsound horses shouldn't be bred. Maybe the way he said it was a bit hard but the point is a valid one IMO.

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Lost in the Fog's sad and early death hasn't yet been mentioned....

Another horse from a "move-up" trainer with otherworldly stats.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me and something I personally enjoyed? Nice to meet you too. By the way, that is Wild Desert in my avatar, would you like to argue that his sudden death would be good too?

This wasn't a thread about the quality of certain horses, which I'd be the first to admit he wasn't the best of the year, but I liked him. Personally I'm not wild about Discreet Cat (who is a talented horse), but could care less that that is YOUR personal favorite moment.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me.

I never knocked you. Just disagreed.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I never knocked you. Just disagreed.

Which is perfectly fine, but I don't think this was a thread designed to debate what other people enjoyed, so to target what I put was a bit odd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Which is perfectly fine, but I don't think this was a thread designed to debate what other people enjoyed, so to target what I put was a bit odd.

I am a bit odd.....

[Bystander]

Another yet-to-be mentioned:
Horatio Nelson's Vodafone.

And just to spite Drugs, I'd put Bernardini's Travers above Discreet Cat's Cigar.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me and something I personally enjoyed? Nice to meet you too. By the way, that is Wild Desert in my avatar, would you like to argue that his sudden death would be good too?

This wasn't a thread about the quality of certain horses, which I'd be the first to admit he wasn't the best of the year, but I liked him. Personally I'm not wild about Discreet Cat (who is a talented horse), but could care less that that is YOUR personal favorite moment.

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.
Mott got a turf mare off the same guy that Dutrow got Liam off of and her form wasn't any good either, yet she became a mutiple graded stakes winner.
He "move her up" as well? I suppose he did, but has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the guy who had those horses simply isn't very good?
Nah, couldn't be that, it doesn't fit the grand scheme of how things shoudl be huh? Mott moved up the filly because he is a classic conditioner, and the other guy did it with juice.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.
Mott got a turf mare off the same guy that Dutrow got Liam off of and her form wasn't any good either, yet she became a mutiple graded stakes winner.
He "move her up" as well? I suppose he did, but has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the guy who had those horses simply isn't very good?
Nah, couldn't be that, it doesn't fit the grand scheme of how things shoudl be huh? Mott moved up the filly because he is a classic conditioner, and the other guy did it with juice.

Sands Springs was FAR better for Reinstedler than Saint Liam. Mott improved her a bit because he probably is a better trainer than Tony Reinstedler....who prior to going out on his own worked for Shug. I'm sure he never learned anything from him.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sands Springs was FAR better for Reinstedler than Saint Liam. Mott improved her a bit because he probably is a better trainer than Tony Reinstedler....who prior to going out on his own worked for Shug. I'm sure he never learned anything from him.

So you look to bet on his horses every chance you get? hes one of those guys I auto toss on seeing his name. he will beat you rarely and when he does it pays like 4 bucks or less. No thanks. Mott is "PROBABLY' a better trainer than reinstedler? Probably?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats like saying Phil Mickelson is probably a better golfer than me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you look to bet on his horses every chance you get? hes one of those guys I auto toss on seeing his name. he will beat you rarely and when he does it pays like 4 bucks or less. No thanks. Mott is "PROBABLY' a better trainer than reinstedler? Probably?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats like saying Phil Mickelson is probably a better golfer than me.

I think Reinstedler is a better trainer than Dutrow.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think Reinstedler is a better trainer than Dutrow.

To each his own. I'm so tired of the pity parties being thrown for guys who flat out don't win despite being sent very expensive horseflesh each year. It can't be that all of these guys are just victims of racings "current state" can it?
Don't any of these guys just flat out stink?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.

My mother was the youngest licensed thoroughbred trainer in the State of Pennsylvania at one time. My father also trained horses at one time. Neither were stars. I've spent some time working around horses myself. I spent some time working (albeit as a lowly hot walker) for a veteran trainer who's won races like the Ky Oaks.

I can assure you--I know how to "put a bridle" on a horse. And, even if I didn't know how, and I only was a horse player....that still doesn't mean I would be a fool to suspect that Dutrow Jr. might be using performance enhancers to "move-up" horses.

Look, I will keep this clean and civil....because that's the way Jesus would want it...and it is he who I serve....and he is the reason I am here.

A reading from DrugS 22:30 :

Jesus descended down to Florida, and made his way to a run-down dog track. Walking up amidst degenerate Haitian cab drivers,as well as red-neck sorts who haven't showered in weeks, Jesus could make out the outline of the teacher. Perched at his feet were, skanky coctail waitress from the track's Poker room. "Young ladies, listen to me and I will show you the way. You need not spend money on books, you just need to accept me as your hero. There is nothing I do not know. Come ye, and I will take you to a land of video games and superlative orgasms, and you too can live maybe not so much forever, but for at least the weekend at my roommates place.

Jesus intervened. "Great young teacher, now is not the time for such debauchery. Once again, I will call upon you to expand your conquest in the world of Internet horse racing message boards. It is by my divine order that you can no longer post at Pace Advantage." The young teacher bows his head and says "It is you whom I serve my lord. With all my love, passion, and intelligence. What is it you ask of me?"

"Young teacher, you are to go onto the DerbyTrail message board" Jesus replies. "Be forewarned----you will not be greeted with cookies, punch, and open arms by everyone. You will encounter many scoffers who will doubt you. Some, like Oracle80 will talk down to you and beg to be made an example of. While others, like Balletto, who apparently thinks she is my father, will have the audacity to hurl insults at you. You must not yield to the temptation, young teacher, you must rise above the pack and preach your gift of handicapping enlightenment to the vast and thirsty audience."

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My mother was the youngest licensed thoroughbred trainer in the State of Pennsylvania at one time. My father also trained horses at one time. Neither were stars. I've spent some time working around horses myself. I spent some time working (albeit as a lowly hot walker) for a veteran trainer who's won races like the Ky Oaks.

I can assure you--I know how to "put a bridle" on a horse. And, even if I didn't know how, and I only was a horse player....that still doesn't mean I would be a fool to suspect that Dutrow Jr. might be using performance enhancers to "move-up" horses.

Look, I will keep this clean and civil....because that's the way Jesus would want it...and it is he who I serve....and he is the reason I am here.

A reading from DrugS 22:30 :

Jesus descended down to Florida, and made his way to a run-down dog track. Walking up amidst degenerate Haitian cab drivers,as well as red-neck sorts who haven't showered in weeks, Jesus could make out the outline of the teacher. Perched at his feet were, skanky coctail waitress from the track's Poker room. "Young ladies, listen to me and I will show you the way. You need not spend money on books, you just need to accept me as your hero. There is nothing I do not know. Come ye, and I will take you to a land of video games and superlative orgasms, and you too can live maybe not so much forever, but for at least the weekend at my roommates place.

Jesus intervened. "Great young teacher, now is not the time for such debauchery. Once again, I will call upon you to expand your conquest in the world of Internet horse racing message boards. It is by my divine order that you can no longer post at Pace Advantage." The young teacher bows his head and says "It is you whom I serve my lord. With all my love, passion, and intelligence. What is it you ask of me?"

"Young teacher, you are to go onto the DerbyTrail message board" Jesus replies. "Be forewarned----you will not be greeted with cookies, punch, and open arms by everyone. You will encounter many scoffers who will doubt you. Some, like Oracle80 will talk down to you and beg to be made an example of. While others, like Balletto, who apparently thinks she is my father, will have the audacity to hurl insults at you. You must not yield to the temptation, young teacher, you must rise above the pack and preach your gift of handicapping enlightenment to the vast and thirsty audience."

Thats pretty funny. Werent you the captain of that PA team that we "made an example of" in that board contest? My apologies sincerely if you were not.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats pretty funny. Werent you the captain of that PA team that we "made an example of" in that board contest? My apologies sincerely if you were not.

I was not involved in that...

your apolgies are not accepted.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

Fair enough, a rational case that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed is a little different than best moment of the year. I still don't understand why so many people are upset that Jazil busted their Belmont bets. How so many people could have left him off their tickets in a twelve furlong race when he runs between 24 and 25 seconds for every two furlongs no matter the distance still blows my mind. Of course I played all my tickets with Steppenwolfer in the top three spots so I guess I don't have much to brag about either.

[cmorioles]

I don't think people are upset about Jazil. They just realize he isn't very good, and in many years would not have even been considered a Belmont contender. It is similar to Giacomo in my opinion. Both are fraudulent G1 horses who happened to be in the right spot at the right time.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't think people are upset about Jazil. They just realize he isn't very good, and in many years would not have even been considered a Belmont contender. It is similar to Giacomo in my opinion. Both are fraudulent G1 horses who happened to be in the right spot at the right time.

His time in the Belmont actually compares quite well to the times from the past 10-15 years. What he is is a good 12-16 furlong horse in an era that 12-16 horses get no respect while milers like Discreet Cat are revered.

[cmorioles]

Do you think he would have beaten Barbaro or Bernardini at 12f? I'd even take Brother Derek against him at that distance.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Do you think he would have beaten Barbaro or Bernardini at 12f? I'd even take Brother Derek against him at that distance.

No, I think Barbaro and Bernardini would have beaten him. I think Showing Up, SNS, and Brother Derek would have been back with Bluegrass Cat though. At 12 furlongs I think he was the 3rd best in his crop which it seems to me is hardly an embarassment to have him win the Belmont.