Bama's offer to Saban

[Pointg5]

Local Sports radio guy that covered the SEC made a comment that I agree with: 2 Football Schools that are no longer what they were Alabama and Miami and the jobs are not attractive at all, he ranked Alabama as the 8th most attractive job in the SEC. These two schools got the Heisman from Rutgers and West Virginia, not real impressive...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Local Sports radio guy that covered the SEC made a comment that I agree with: 2 Football Schools that are no longer what they were Alabama and Miami and the jobs are not attractive at all, he ranked Alabama as the 8th most attractive job in the SEC. These two schools got the Heisman from Rutgers and West Virginia, not real impressive...

Any job where the expectations are out of whack with the reality is gonna be a hard job. The Bama traditionalists expect someone to ride in a white horse and turn this thing around immediately. They aren't a bad program, but getting one to the level that they seem to expect, in whats usually the deepest conference top to bottom is not gonna be easy.
Surprises me that Saban already wants to go back to college. Thought he would stick it out at Miami a while.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any job where the expectations are out of whack with the reality is gonna be a hard job. The Bama traditionalists expect someone to ride in a white horse and turn this thing around immediately. They aren't a bad program, but getting one to the level that they seem to expect, in whats usually the deepest conference top to bottom is not gonna be easy.
Surprises me that Saban already wants to go back to college. Thought he would stick it out at Miami a while.

Big-O: the guy with the White Horse is out here,lol! Seriously...Saban might be tired of being in middle management as far as things go in the pros! In college, recruiting is a drag...but you're still the Big Fish. Or maybe he's tired of the mentality of Pro athletes? PS...I sent you a PM last week!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Big-O: the guy with the White Horse is out here,lol! Seriously...Saban might be tired of being in middle management as far as things go in the pros! In college, recruiting is a drag...but you're still the Big Fish. Or maybe he's tired of the mentality of Pro athletes? PS...I sent you a PM last week!

Got it!! And I'm working on it!!
As far as Saban goes, he would be the best guy they could get anyway!!!
Hes won a National Championship and now has pro connections that prospects wanna see because they all think they are gonna make it to the pros.
He'd be a major score for Bama, and he could offer them the best chance at getting back to where they wanna be.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any job where the expectations are out of whack with the reality is gonna be a hard job. The Bama traditionalists expect someone to ride in a white horse and turn this thing around immediately. They aren't a bad program, but getting one to the level that they seem to expect, in whats usually the deepest conference top to bottom is not gonna be easy.
Surprises me that Saban already wants to go back to college. Thought he would stick it out at Miami a while.

I'd say expectations are the same at Alabama than at ND
I live a stone's throw away from Indiana, and see far more
Tide stickers than Irish, nobody wants to live in South Bend
they just got Weis because nobody would give him a HC gig in the NFL

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is just not true at all. You can't be serious. Weis chose Notre Dame, because he went to college there. He could have been coaching at many NFL teams, he didn't want to.

nope, 100% accurate

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

According to who? He was sought after by many teams, but he said he always wanted to coach at his alma mater.

wrong, he circulated his name throughout the NFL, no bites, none, zilch
so he left for college (2nd choice, or 33rd I suppose)

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Okay, since you say so, I'm convinced. Especially since you are backing it up so well.

ha, it's common knowledge for anyone who follows the game even on a casual basis, I apologize for your lack of keeping up
it was mentioned numerous times on MNF, NFL Today, etc.
This is like 2-3 years removed now, please try and pay attention

[Danzig]

After failing to land one of the nation's leading college coaching candidates, Notre Dame signed one of the NFL's top assistants.



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Charlie Weis is the first Notre Dame alum to coach the Irish since 1963.
New England Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis made it official Sunday night, becoming the first Notre Dame graduate to coach the team since Hugh Devore served as interim coach in 1963. Only Weis didn't play college football.

He signed with the Irish 12 days after Tyrone Willingham was fired and eight days after Notre Dame officials returned empty-handed after flying to Utah to meet with Utes coach Urban Meyer. Meyer signed with Florida instead.

Weis agreed to a six-year deal that will pay him $2 million a year, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports. His hiring ended an embarrassing two-week search by the Fighting Irish to find a coach for perhaps the most storied program in the nation.

The 48-year-old Weis arrived at the school Sunday night, just hours after the Patriots beat Cincinnati in Foxboro, Mass. Within an hour, he met with the players.

"Here's what we have to do. I believe there is a proper protocol, and right now, the most important thing is that I go talk to the players," Weis said. "So, tomorrow is our time for the press conference ... Let's do it tomorrow."

The players seemed excited about their new coach.

"It's nice to have a little bit of closure and know we have a coach and know what kind of system we're going to have next year," offensive guard Bob Morton said. "It's a good night for Notre Dame."

Weis told the players he'll be around as much as possible, but would be staying with the Patriots through the playoffs.

"He told us to have fun, finish things off right with our exams, have fun at the bowl game, enjoy break and come back ready to go," offensive tackle Mark LeVoir said.

In Foxboro after the Super Bowl champions' 35-28 win, quarterback Tom Brady told CBS, "Even though he's leaving I think everyone's going to enjoy these last few games and hopefully we send him out the right way."

Weis, who graduated in 1978, will attempt to restore Notre Dame to the powerhouse program it was when he attended the university as an undergraduate while Ara Parseghian and Dan Devine coached the Fighting Irish.

The door for him to return to Notre Dame opened when Willingham was fired on Nov. 30 after posting a 21-15 record over three seasons.

Willingham, who coached at Stanford before going to South Bend, returned to the Pac-10 by accepting the job at Washington on Sunday night. Willingham will match up against his former team when Notre Dame visits Seattle next Sept. 24.

Weis has been the Patriots' offensive coordinator for the last five seasons, which included two Super Bowl championships.

His stock has risen with New England's success, but the Patriots' long playoff runs have hindered his attempt at a promotion. An NFL rule prohibits assistants from being hired while their teams are in the playoffs.

The New York Giants and Buffalo Bills interviewed Weis in January, but they hired other coaches before the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Weis could have faced the same problem this year, since an NFL team might have had to wait until after the Feb. 6 Super Bowl to hire him.

Weis nearly died in the summer of 2002 from complications of gastric bypass surgery, commonly known as stomach stapling. The coach said one of the reasons he underwent the procedure was to make himself more marketable to teams looking for a head coach

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Local Sports radio guy that covered the SEC made a comment that I agree with: 2 Football Schools that are no longer what they were Alabama and Miami and the jobs are not attractive at all, he ranked Alabama as the 8th most attractive job in the SEC. These two schools got the Heisman from Rutgers and West Virginia, not real impressive...

what does a sports radio talking head in cincinnati and a cincinnati fish-hack know about Alabama Football? my guess is, close to nothing.

the Bama job is still a great job, it will take some extra elbow grease to get it shined up again. appearently coaches now a days don't want to do any work.

CRR can stay at wvu with his terrible in and out of conference schedule win 9-10 games every year. go undefeated and be LUCK to play for the NC IF at all.

Bama interm coach and DC Joe Kines told the team last saturday " CRR traded a goldmine for a coalmine". in the near future, Kines is probably right.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

what does a sports radio talking head in cincinnati and a cincinnati fish-hack know about Alabama Football? my guess is, close to nothing.

the Bama job is still a great job, it will take some extra elbow grease to get it shined up again. appearently coaches now a days don't want to do any work.

CRR can stay at wvu with his terrible in and out of conference schedule win 9-10 games every year. go undefeated and be LUCK to play for the NC IF at all.

Bama interm coach and DC Joe Kines told the team last saturday " CRR traded a goldmine for a coalmine". in the near future, Kines is probably right.

A lot of that depends on the pre-season ranking. Had WVU or Louisville run won the conference and had an undefeated record they would have played for the National Championship. Rutgers had too much ground to make up.

As far as the goldmine to the coalmine comment, that is hysterical. The only way Rodriguez gets more of a goldmine than he already has was by staying put.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

POINT G if you personally have not seen both UC's facilities or UA's facilities then you have no right to open your DAMN mouth about them!
I laugh when you open your mouth and pretend to know anything about horses, so why should this subject be any different...?

I didn't say that I have been to both facilities, this is from 2 guys that covered SEC schools, Georgia and Kentucky, why would they lie? I think I have found a new group of the most delusional fans, it was a tossup between UK Basketball Fans and Ohio State Football fans, but I think the Alabama fans are actually worse than both. It's not a bad job, but why knock yourself out trying to win in the SEC and deal with psychos like you, it's not an attractive job as you guys think.

And as for the horse comment, I have forgotten more than you will ever know...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I didn't say that I have been to both facilities, this is from 2 guys that covered SEC schools, Georgia and Kentucky, why would they lie? I think I have found a new group of the most delusional fans, it was a tossup between UK Basketball Fans and Ohio State Football fans, but I think the Alabama fans are actually worse than both. It's not a bad job, but why knock yourself out trying to win in the SEC and deal with psychos like you, it's not an attractive job as you guys think.

And as for the horse comment, I have forgotten more than you will ever know...

ahh that old slight again huh?
ok well why did Dantonio bolt the first chance he had for the last place team in the Big Ten this year?
UC's facilities = River Downs
Alabama's facilities = Churchill Downs
"Point Given, NOT TODAY!"

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

ahh that old slight again huh?
ok well why did Dantonio bolt the first chance he had for the last place team in the Big Ten this year?
UC's facilities = River Downs
Alabama's facilities = Churchill Downs
"Point Given, NOT TODAY!"

UC's facilities are ok, but to compare them to Bama's is an absolute homer move.

What the hell difference do facilities make anyway?
Its football, not figure skating.
All you need is a weight room and a field for them to kick the **** out of each other on.
I don't see what difference it makes.
As far as the coach search goes, they will get a top notch coach sooner or later. Its too good of an opportunity for someone not to take it.
BUt again, if the job is as great as Bama fans are claiming, then why is it still open instead of being immediately filled by guys trying to get in? Isn't that really the proof in the pudding that perhaps Bama fans think its a better job than it is perceived by everyone else?

Originally Posted by oracle80

What the hell difference do facilities make anyway?
Its football, not figure skating.
All you need is a weight room and a field for them to kick the **** out of each other on.
I don't see what difference it makes.
As far as the coach search goes, they will get a top notch coach sooner or later. Its too good of an opportunity for someone not to take it.
BUt again, if the job is as great as Bama fans are claiming, then why is it still open instead of being immediately filled by guys trying to get in? Isn't that really the proof in the pudding that perhaps Bama fans think its a better job than it is perceived by everyone else?

Only two coaches have declined. SC has better golf courses than Alabama and he's an egomaniac who doesn't want to live in the bear's shadow.

The other guy is a PW'ed stuttering boob who's got a mediocre record at best.

Our problem is there aren't many real men left in the coaching ranks. Most of them are intimidated by the bear and settle for less by coaching at some jugblowing, couch burning, ****hole on the side of a mountain.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Only two coaches have declined. SC has better golf courses than Alabama and he's an egomaniac who doesn't want to live in the bear's shadow.

The other guy is a PW'ed stuttering boob who's got a mediocre record at best.

Our problem is there aren't many real men left in the coaching ranks. Most of them are intimidated by the bear and settle for less by coaching at some jugblowing, couch burning, ****hole on the side of a mountain.

...or spend too much time in strip bars.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by oracle80

What the hell difference do facilities make anyway?
Its football, not figure skating.
All you need is a weight room and a field for them to kick the **** out of each other on.
I don't see what difference it makes.
As far as the coach search goes, they will get a top notch coach sooner or later. Its too good of an opportunity for someone not to take it.
BUt again, if the job is as great as Bama fans are claiming, then why is it still open instead of being immediately filled by guys trying to get in? Isn't that really the proof in the pudding that perhaps Bama fans think its a better job than it is perceived by everyone else?

Once again, I gotta admit Mike you're right on the money. Facilities do matter however. If any program out there wants to see what the prototype facility is, they need to go to NC State. I'm not a Wolfpack fan, but that is hands down the top facility in the nation. I think last year was the first year it was totally complete and I saw in S.I. where the coaches rated it the top place in the country. Now back to the debate, they will get a coach that has potential to be a top notch coach. The problem is they had one and let him go. They have got to realize that a coach can't walk into a place anymore and say I'm the coach at Alabama and is instantly more attractive because of that. They need to give a guy 5 years and leave him alone. If they don't it will never get fixed.

Originally Posted by Samarta

Once again, I gotta admit Mike you're right on the money. Facilities do matter however. If any program out there wants to see what the prototype facility is, they need to go to NC State. I'm not a Wolfpack fan, but that is hands down the top facility in the nation. I think last year was the first year it was totally complete and I saw in S.I. where the coaches rated it the top place in the country. Now back to the debate, they will get a coach that has potential to be a top notch coach. The problem is they had one and let him go. They have got to realize that a coach can't walk into a place anymore and say I'm the coach at Alabama and is instantly more attractive because of that. They need to give a guy 5 years and leave him alone. If they don't it will never get fixed.

so apparently UC has top facilities but not enough money leftover to pay a coach a decent wage~ well we do! BTW I've been to the UC campus and wasn't sure if I was in a government housing project or the slums of Cincinnati.
Ok they had one with the potential, well he never lived up to the potential and was never going to. Shula simply lacks confidence in his own ability to make the correct play call in crucial moments in the game, he lacks presence and disciplinarian skills, and when asked to make any changes to his staff he simply refused, thus was fired. In fact he would only take advice on a game plan from his father or Ray Perkins, one great one good, but both at least 10 years removed from the game. So once again, I ask, if you don't know what you are talking about with the Alabama situation then don't come here yapping about it, because I'll be here to take you down, all the way to Chinatown, baby!

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

ahh that old slight again huh?
ok well why did Dantonio bolt the first chance he had for the last place team in the Big Ten this year?
UC's facilities = River Downs
Alabama's facilities = Churchill Downs
"Point Given, NOT TODAY!"

Your are a complete derelict...



Let's see why did Dantonio bolt???

#1 He was the second lowest paid BCS Coach behind Duke

#2 Why beg to get 27,000 people to come to your games, when you have 71,000 more than willing. He had to call people in Cincinnati to ask them to come to a game...

It's a no brainer, I don't blame him, Cincinnati is a Pro Football Town and College Basketball Town, it will never be a College Football Town and I don't pretend otherwise...

Dantonio even said that the facilities are as nice or better than Michigan State or OSU, both places he coached.

UC will max out at 35k attendance, so yes many schools have them beat that way, but for training and general setup, they have one of the best in the Country as stated by the anouncers on ESPN during one of the games, they couldn't lavish enough praise on the place, it just went through a huge overhaul.

And for the Bama fans questioning me have I been to Bama and them claiming to have better facilities than NFL Teams, how many NFL Facilities or other College Facilities have you toured. Just more nonsense from the Bama fans.

Pointg5=Realistic Fan
Bellamy Road=Bama Nut Job