Trainers and drugs

Originally Posted by oracle80

yeah, those accidental postives of things like lidocaine from a foot salve for cracked feet definitely demand high profile punishment.
Calling for a life time ban on any trainer with a postive test without differentiating between accidental overages of no performance enhancing drugs, and flat out juicing is one of the dumbest things I ever heard.

Well see, if a trainer does the testing on his own then he/she will know that the horse is clean before the horse races. The trainer will know what is in the horse so therefore the trainer can make sure that everything is out of the horses system.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well see, if a trainer does the testing on his own then he/she will know that the horse is clean before the horse races. The trainer will know what is in the horse so therefore the trainer can make sure that everything is out of the horses system.

Just realize how expensive that is and that the cost would be directly billed and passed on to the owners in the day rate. When you get your first bills for this on your two horses, lemme know what you think about your own idea ok?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Just realize how expensive that is and that the cost would be directly billed and passed on to the owners in the day rate. When you get your first bills for this on your two horses, lemme know what you think about your own idea ok?

I do not get bills. It is a one time flat rate. And again, if you arent giving your horse anything then you wont need to test. If you do give your horse something, just make sure you give it enough time to get out of the system. The point is to make the game fair and legal. What is your suggestions. I hear you making fun of mine but I haven't heard you come up with an idea.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I do not get bills. It is a one time flat rate. And again, if you arent giving your horse anything then you wont need to test. If you do give your horse something, just make sure you give it enough time to get out of the system. The point is to make the game fair and legal. What is your suggestions. I hear you making fun of mine but I haven't heard you come up with an idea.

Thats because I like to think that there is no "one idea" that can be standardized in a theoretical argument like this one.
The best way to go would be to regulate the vets ok? The notion that these folks have on here most of the time where the trainer is injecting horses is quite funny. Most of these guys don't have any idea what does what. You honestly think they take a syringe themselves and fill it full of something and inject it? I'm trying to picture some trainers I know reading a chemistry book and then trying to get the stuff and fill a syringe and know when and where and how to give the stuff and its pretty funny!!!!! Some of these guys still don't know how to work email!!!!!!!!
The vets do the work, not the trainers.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats because I like to think that there is no "one idea" that can be standardized in a theoretical argument like this one.
The best way to go would be to regulate the vets ok? The notion that these folks have on here most of the time where the trainer is injecting horses is quite funny. Most of these guys don't have any idea what does what. You honestly think they take a syringe themselves and fill it full of something and inject it? I'm trying to picture some trainers I know reading a chemistry book and then trying to get the stuff and fill a syringe and know when and where and how to give the stuff and its pretty funny!!!!! Some of these guys still don't know how to work email!!!!!!!!
The vets do the work, not the trainers.

This made me laugh. I am trying to picture someone like Cole Norman with a bunson burner, syringe and a book. That is funny right there.

I can see where regulating the vet can be a viable solution. But who is the person that calls the vet in? I am sure the trainer would like to know what the vet is doing. I am sure the vet gives the trainer a bill. So the trainer has to have some idea as to what is going on here. You cant just turn a blind eye to what the vet is doing and put all the blame on the vet.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

This made me laugh. I am trying to picture someone like Cole Norman with a bunson burner, syringe and a book. That is funny right there.

I can see where regulating the vet can be a viable solution. But who is the person that calls the vet in? I am sure the trainer would like to know what the vet is doing. I am sure the vet gives the trainer a bill. So the trainer has to have some idea as to what is going on here. You cant just turn a blind eye to what the vet is doing and put all the blame on the vet.

I was actually trying to picture someone else, but had the same sort of visual. Like the guy sitting there trying to read this chemistry book and reading out loud and completely mispronouncing the names of the stuff hes reading about. Then I'm trying to picture him online at the store trying to buy syringes and trying to order the stuff hes mispronouncing.
Then I'm picturing him trying to fill a syringe with the correct dosage and screwing it up horribly and injecting the horse and having it fall dead on the ground like the scene in Animal House, and then him running away like the guys in Animal House after the horse dropped dead. Thats pretty much what it would look like.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I was actually trying to picture someone else, but had the same sort of visual. Like the guy sitting there trying to read this chemistry book and reading out loud and completely mispronouncing the names of the stuff hes reading about. Then I'm trying to picture him online at the store trying to buy syringes and trying to order the stuff hes mispronouncing.
Then I'm picturing him trying to fill a syringe with the correct dosage and screwing it up horribly and injecting the horse and having it fall dead on the ground like the scene in Animal House, and then him running away like the guys in Animal House after the horse dropped dead. Thats pretty much what it would look like.

Freaking awesome with the Animal House analogy.