Polydeaths in England

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I guess we can call you Columbo. Or maybe you need a life and not sit around and play Clue all night. I am done with you on this issue. I know where u stand and you know where I stand.

I know you have been denying having a connection with poly for two years and I baited you into admitting yesterday that you do, and have been furious with me since. Too bad, too sad, I'm glad, you're mad!!!

[The Bid]

Regardless of any of our connetions the amount of recent breakdowns over polytrack has been staggering. The more poly we lay, the more we will realize its not the answer. It may raise handle initially, but everyone will tire of it (no pun intended). Its like a girlfriend, shes great for a few months then you find out why she didnt have a boyfriend when she met you.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Regardless of any of our connetions the amount of recent breakdowns over polytrack has been staggering. The more poly we lay, the more we will realize its not the answer. It may raise handle initially, but everyone will tire of it (no pun intended). Its like a girlfriend, shes great for a few months then you find out why she didnt have a boyfriend when she met you.

Yeah I'm tired of these poly breakdowns, its was so much better to have the breakdowns on dirt.

[The Bid]

Jim, What does your last post have to do with anything? The point of the Polytrack is to limit breakdowns, and to provide a safe racing surface. If you think Woodbine, and Turfway, expected to have horses coming back sore and breaking down you are mistaken my friend. There are major problems with both of those surfaces. Guys are scratching because of foot bruising out in Socal, whats so revolutionary about a bruised foot, a broken right front leg, or horses coming back with filling and sore? The only thing revolutional about Polytrack is the kickback, its higher and harder than ever.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Jim, What does your last post have to do with anything? The point of the Polytrack is to limit breakdowns, and to provide a safe racing surface. If you think Woodbine, and Turfway, expected to have horses coming back sore and breaking down you are mistaken my friend. There are major problems with both of those surfaces. Guys are scratching because of foot bruising out in Socal, whats so revolutionary about a bruised foot, a broken right front leg, or horses coming back with filling and sore? The only thing revolutional about Polytrack is the kickback, its higher and harder than ever.

I'm simply triying to understand your point. Let me just ask a final question.
Are you convinced that the synthetic surfaces cause more breakdowns and soreness and are less safe for horses than dirt?

I think you are the one in fact who is mistaken if you think people at Woodbine and Turfway believed that the change would result in the end of soreness and breakdowns.

You say there are problems with those surfaces, and for sure there are. But its not as if there are not the same and probably more problems with dirt.

Synthetic racing surfaces are probably the worst racing surfaces... except for all other racing surfaces.

[ArlJim78]

Well okay guys, bid, todko, i tried to warn you about jumping to conclusions. It seems that according to a story in the Racing Post titled "Professionals united in support of Wolverhampton track ", the track is not seen as the culprit for the recent spate of breakdowns.

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/home.sd
The site requires you to register. Here are a couple quotes.

"Before racing, HRA inspector of courses Nicky Carlisle conducted an inspection of the surface, initially declaring himself "satisfied but cautious".
He was later confident enough to condemn a "knee-jerk reaction"

"It was not helpful how some reacted, but the most logical conclusion for now is that nothing has changed here, and that spate of incidents is a result of bad luck."

senior jockey "McKeown said: "There is no problem over the track and the surface. The problem is 7lb claimers."

and finally;
"Of the five fatalities, only Money For Fun’s remains unexplained. Two of the others were caused by heart attacks, while another two came as a result of injuries sustained during falls caused by interference. "



So of the five breakdowns that made the headlines, only one came from an unknown cause, the others were explained by factors having nothing to do with the surface.

Please read the article and then read the knee jerk reactionary posts made on this thread. For the life of me I cannot understand why some are going to such lengths to distort this issue..

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Well okay guys, bid, todko, i tried to warn you about jumping to conclusions. It seems that according to a story in the Racing Post titled "Professionals united in support of Wolverhampton track ", the track is not seen as the culprit for the recent spate of breakdowns.

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/home.sd
The site requires you to register. Here are a couple quotes.

"Before racing, HRA inspector of courses Nicky Carlisle conducted an inspection of the surface, initially declaring himself "satisfied but cautious".
He was later confident enough to condemn a "knee-jerk reaction"

"It was not helpful how some reacted, but the most logical conclusion for now is that nothing has changed here, and that spate of incidents is a result of bad luck."

senior jockey "McKeown said: "There is no problem over the track and the surface. The problem is 7lb claimers."

and finally;
"Of the five fatalities, only Money For Fun’s remains unexplained. Two of the others were caused by heart attacks, while another two came as a result of injuries sustained during falls caused by interference. "



So of the five breakdowns that made the headlines, only one came from an unknown cause, the others were explained by factors having nothing to do with the surface.

Please read the article and then read the knee jerk reactionary posts made on this thread. For the life of me I cannot understand why some are going to such lengths to distort this issue..

I think there is also the overall argument that there is too much racing on the track and that maintenance isnt what it should be!

[todko]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Well okay guys, bid, todko, i tried to warn you about jumping to conclusions. It seems that according to a story in the Racing Post titled "Professionals united in support of Wolverhampton track ", the track is not seen as the culprit for the recent spate of breakdowns.

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/home.sd
The site requires you to register. Here are a couple quotes.

"Before racing, HRA inspector of courses Nicky Carlisle conducted an inspection of the surface, initially declaring himself "satisfied but cautious".
He was later confident enough to condemn a "knee-jerk reaction"

"It was not helpful how some reacted, but the most logical conclusion for now is that nothing has changed here, and that spate of incidents is a result of bad luck."

senior jockey "McKeown said: "There is no problem over the track and the surface. The problem is 7lb claimers."

and finally;
"Of the five fatalities, only Money For Fun’s remains unexplained. Two of the others were caused by heart attacks, while another two came as a result of injuries sustained during falls caused by interference. "



So of the five breakdowns that made the headlines, only one came from an unknown cause, the others were explained by factors having nothing to do with the surface.

Please read the article and then read the knee jerk reactionary posts made on this thread. For the life of me I cannot understand why some are going to such lengths to distort this issue..

You post is a little unclear -- you say "of the five breakdowns" -- how does a breakdown result from a heart attack? That follow-up article is a lot of CYA if you noticed.

Breakdowns are distorted here too. Often they are labeled as "pulled up" or "eased". I saw them put the white sheet up at one race last year at TP and the chart said "vanned off". Didn't say dead or alive however. If anything breakdowns are under-reported.

I'm not saying poly is more dangerous than dirt -- all I'm saying is that industry should avoid the "knee-jerk reaction" in rushing to install it everywhere.

I didn't get to see much of it live last night. After the first race at Polyway a transformer blew knocking out the lights in the back stretch. They worked on it for a while and then ultimately canceled racing. Hopefully a piece of poly didn't kick up and short out the transformer .