facepalm of the day

[OldDog]

This hospital is not doing harm by refusing to perform the procedure. Her life is not in danger from not having the procedure done at the time of the birth of her child. It was suggested by her doctor that she have it done because with her condition "any future pregnancies could be fatal." She can have it done at another hospital in the future, or have her baby at another hospital (there are several nearby) where doctors will do the procedure after she gives birth. Or, she can litigate and hope for intervention, but that doesn't look promising.

She's had the condition for ten years. She became pregnant three years ago, and it was considered a high risk pregnancy then because of her condition. She didn't have a tubal ligation done after that pregnancy.

[Danzig]

the very best time to have it done is immediately after giving birth. there is NO reason why she should have to arrange a separate procedure.
they're a hospital, they should do hospital things or get the hell out of the business.

oh, and chances are they'll do it because:

http://www.sfgate.com/health/article...on-6463205.php

and that was a case without health issues.

and note:

Although sterilization is normally voluntary, major medical organizations say a tubal ligation immediately after a woman’s last intended pregnancy is such a safe and quick procedure, and so effective in preventing unwanted future pregnancies, that it should be considered “urgent” medical care.

“The immediate (post-childbirth) period ... is the ideal time to perform sterilization because of technical ease and convenience for the woman and physician,” said the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in a 2012 report. “Obstetrician-gynecologists need to identify themselves as champions or patient advocates for post-partum sterilization in their respective hospitals.”

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jon-stewa...rst-responders

well, hell, if the govt can **** all over the military veterans, why are first responders so special? let them fight for every crumb just like the soldiers and sailors who answer the call, and get injured.

true story--during vietnam, if you suffered PTSD, they'd discharge you because you had a 'medical condition'. but they didn't recognize it as legit, so you got ZERO medical help for it from the VA.
a guy i know was in airborne...was part of a demonstration. they told him he landed properly...but all he remembers is fighting with the chute, because it didn't open correctly-it was in what they call a cigar roll.
anyway, broke most of his body. woke up weeks later in hospital, fake knees in place, god knows what all broken.
funny how much one zero can affect a person. the dingbat at the va that entered his info, put him at 10% disability instead of 100%. he had to fight for years with them over that.
'oh, hehe, sorry', she said.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the very best time to have it done is immediately after giving birth.

I can see why she would like to do it then, which is why she should choose a hospital willing to accommodate her wishes.

Originally Posted by Danzig

there is NO reason why she should have to arrange a separate procedure.

That is up to her. See above.

Originally Posted by Danzig

they're a hospital, they should do hospital things or get the hell out of the business.

Catholic hospitals generally don't do sterilizations. Why this would surprise anyone I don't know. Why a patient feels that her wishes trump the wishes of hospital administrators I don't know, unless it is because we are increasingly beset by people who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it from the hands of people who don't want to give it to them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I can see why she would like to do it then, which is why she should choose a hospital willing to accommodate her wishes.

That is up to her. See above.

Catholic hospitals generally don't do sterilizations. Why this would surprise anyone I don't know. Why a patient feels that her wishes trump the wishes of hospital administrators I don't know, unless it is because we are increasingly beset by people who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it from the hands of people who don't want to give it to them.

yeah, go figure someone in this secular country expecting medical care at a hospital.
again, if the church can't separate theology from medicine, they should not own hospitals.
and they have sterilized people. I'm sorry you keep ignoring that part.

but yeah, it's just her life, her soon to be born kids health, her future at stake. absolutely, here in the u.s., religion should dictate...
'whatever they want'? catholic hospitals have done tubals, so they have no argument due to past practice.
and don't forget, this is the same business sued for wrongful death, whose lawyers argued that 7 month old viable twins weren't alive, and that the hospital couldn't be held accountable for 'wrongful death'.
so, their theology fits unless money is at stake.
I wonder how many insurers will start dropping such hospitals...who would rather force more procedures and extra costs because of a book written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. I mean, it's the patients and insurance companies who pay....so, yes, the patient should get what it needs-and this is medically dictated by her doctor.
and i'll listen to a doctor over a religious guy who doesn't give a rats behind about women any day.

have catholic hospitals done tubal ligations? yes. so, what's the deal?

and what about the fact that this very hospital has done tubals til late last year? no wonder her and her doctor were surprised at the sudden turn of events...because they been done there for years. he's probably done them there before.

[Danzig]

http://www.propublica.org/article/u....-sterilization

another article about genesis.
and it's not even as tho this woman is asking for a tubal to prevent pregnancy because she wants no more kids.
it's to prevent a pregnancy that could take her life.
bah, who cares..
more women made every day

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.propublica.org/article/u....-sterilization

another article about genesis.
and it's not even as tho this woman is asking for a tubal to prevent pregnancy because she wants no more kids.
it's to prevent a pregnancy that could take her life.
bah, who cares..
more women made every day

Religion: Men telling women what they're permitted to do with their own bodies.

[OldDog]

But, but . . . you used to do them. It used to be okay.

It's as if people, parties, governments and churches have nevah evah changed their minds/laws/doctrines.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/26/w...-party-was-lik

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Religion: Men telling women what they're permitted to do with their own bodies.

and how seriously do they take all this god stuff, considering their past and present actions regarding pedophile priests.
850 years give or take after henry the second and Thomas a becket, we're still having issues with the state and criminous clerks.
unreal.