No Shame

[pointman]

This makes no sense. The call was correct. Sure they have let herding go on way too many times without a proper call, but it is counterintuitive to jump all over the stewards when they actually do the right thing.

Seems like sour grapes to me, clearly you must have had a bet on the 8.

[Big Peps]

Originally Posted by pointman

This makes no sense. The call was correct. Sure they have let herding go on way too many times without a proper call, but it is counterintuitive to jump all over the stewards when they actually do the right thing.

Seems like sour grapes to me, clearly you must have had a bet on the 8.

I had a $10 pick 3 with a single on the 8 would have paid me $8,300 but it was clearly the right call, 100%. When she got taken down so did my profit, singled chatterbox because I love the horse and didn't see her losing obviously. That said as a horse owner not a horse player I was glad they made the right call, good for them. I do agree though at aqueduct on a Thursday afternoon she probably stays up as they say in nascar rubbing is racing...but good call.

[NavalOrange]

The bump obviously cost the three the win, but JV could have kept his horse a few paths outside of the 8. If you bring your horse in close quarters, you run the risk of a bump as the horse tires.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by NavalOrange

The bump obviously cost the three the win, but JV could have kept his horse a few paths outside of the 8. If you bring your horse in close quarters, you run the risk of a bump as the horse tires.

So you think that a rider should have to alter his course from a straight path and the best opportunity to win in compliance with the rules to keep his horse straight on the oft chance that another horse is going to tire and come out? You realize that if JV takes his horse out he almost certainly loses the race, right?

The lack of logic sometimes thrown out here is mind boggling to me.

[NavalOrange]

Originally Posted by pointman

So you think that a rider should have to alter his course from a straight path and the best opportunity to win in compliance with the rules to keep his horse straight on the oft chance that another horse is going to tire and come out? You realize that if JV takes his horse out he almost certainly loses the race, right?

The lack of logic sometimes thrown out here is mind boggling to me.

No what I am saying is that if JV stays a few paths wider the bump would not have occurred. JV did not come down the stretch straight but had angled over a bit to engage the 8. A good and acceptable way to ride. However if you choose to do that, should you benefit (get the win via DQ) from a bump from a tiring horse. Like it has been said on the board before in NASCAR, they call that "just racing". Its not like the 8 was hit left handed and veered out. Quite the oppoiste as she was being aggressively hit right handed. And to rip me for logic, when I don't think anyone on this board can find consistent logic in how stewards apply DQ's is more mind boggling.

[JimmyEllis]

Originally Posted by pointman

So you think that a rider should have to alter his course from a straight path and the best opportunity to win in compliance with the rules to keep his horse straight on the oft chance that another horse is going to tire and come out? You realize that if JV takes his horse out he almost certainly loses the race, right?

The lack of logic sometimes thrown out here is mind boggling to me.

All these riders are looking for an advantage. JV doesn't need to take his horse wide but he also doesn't need to crowd the other horse. Especially since there were no other horses on that part of the track. It got to the point where the other jock couldn't execute his regular whipping motion. JV got the desired result. He seems to be at his bravest when riding for Pletcher. When his next spill happens, however, his sympathy cards will have been exhausted.

[pointman]

JV was in the 2 path the entire stretch on a straight course whipping his horse left handed, it was I'm a Chatterbox who came out. Include Betty was out 1 path next to Danette behind the 3 and 8 and there was no contact there.

Really at a loss as to what JV should have done, he rode his horse hard and would have won the race if Geroux can keep his horse straight. If JV moves his horse out he likely loses. Geroux is in the wrong here, not JV.

[MaTH716]

Neither jock did anything wrong and suggesting JV should've rode different and gone wide to be safe is ridiculous. Geroux didnt heard IMO, he was just along for the ride on a filly that got tired and drifted. Unfortunately for him, she drifted a bit too much near the wire and it was enough to warrant a DQ.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Big Peps

I had a $10 pick 3 with a single on the 8 would have paid me $8,300 but it was clearly the right call, 100%. When she got taken down so did my profit, singled chatterbox because I love the horse and didn't see her losing obviously. That said as a horse owner not a horse player I was glad they made the right call, good for them. I do agree though at aqueduct on a Thursday afternoon she probably stays up as they say in nascar rubbing is racing...but good call.

$10 pick 3, with the nearly impossible winner of the 9f dirt race?
You must be very sharp. Rough beat, but like you said it was the right call.

[Big Peps]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

$10 pick 3, with the nearly impossible winner of the 9f dirt race?
You must be very sharp. Rough beat, but like you said it was the right call.

If you could see the trail of tears I left behind at Saratoga over the weekend you would think otherwise. Didn't have any success. I wasn't there but heading up Friday. Went 5 deep in the 9f race, got lucky with the winner, singled Saez in 9th and singled chatterbox as well figuring Jones would have her ready off the short layoff. He did and I was damn close.